The utility of Vintage Glass and the Challenge of Zooms

I use Nikkors dating back to the late 60s on the D3 and D750 and they work perfectly, prong or no prong. I put them on, dial them up in my list and I get all of the data in the finder and shoot just like on a film camera. On the other hand I am pretty sure all of the earliest I have were converted to AI, but that is a pretty inexpensive and simple matter, even these days.
I think there is a work-around, even for the non-converted lenses. I understand it that the aperture can be set in-camera with a command dial. Just be sure to set it the same as what the lens is set at. Or just convert the lens to Ai. I think it also has Time AND Bulb settings on the shutter dial. And a real cable port for remote shutter release.
 
I think there is a work-around, even for the non-converted lenses. I understand it that the aperture can be set in-camera with a command dial. Just be sure to set it the same as what the lens is set at. Or just convert the lens to Ai. I think it also has Time AND Bulb settings on the shutter dial. And a real cable port for remote shutter release.
Yes. Nikon has a "Non-CPU Lens" list and you input the lenses you'd like to use in a list and just dial them up as you mount them. I have mine keyed to the Fn button so it is a one-button/one dial operation. I don't even think about it any more, it just happens. One thing that is funny is that Nikon's list includes only focal lengths they made themselves and they never actually made a 90mm lens. When I mount the 90 f2.5 Tamron macro (a perennial favourite) I had to list it as being "86mm f2.5". No matter, close enough. I think you still need the AI conversion for the camera to be able to tell what the f-stop is.
 
Having a Nikon digital body would make a lot of sense for me as the only SLR I really use anymore is an old FM2n and I also have an N80, one of their last pro-sumer SLRs with all the auto doohickeys. I stole that from my wife when we got the Contax G2, which she hogs for her work/art. I prefer the all manual FM2 to the N80, though.
I would love to have an FM2!
 
Yes. Nikon has a "Non-CPU Lens" list and you input the lenses you'd like to use in a list and just dial them up as you mount them. I have mine keyed to the Fn button so it is a one-button/one dial operation. I don't even think about it any more, it just happens. One thing that is funny is that Nikon's list includes only focal lengths they made themselves and they never actually made a 90mm lens. When I mount the 90 f2.5 Tamron macro (a perennial favourite) I had to list it as being "86mm f2.5". No matter, close enough. I think you still need the AI conversion for the camera to be able to tell what the f-stop is.
Yes, I use this for a few of my own older lenses.

About the DF, from Ken Rockwell:
"The only gotcha with unmodified Nikon F mount lenses that were made from 1959-1976 is that there is no way to couple the aperture into the camera; there is no original top-center feeler rod to couple manually to the lens' prong. With F mount lenses, you have to set the camera via the camera command dial to the same f/stop you set on your lens. More practically, I'll use stop-down metering (and AE lock if in AE) with F Mount lenses, exactly as we do with the Nikon FE."
 
The FM2n is a glorious piece. Closest I come in Nikon bodies is my old F2S, though I do have a FE. I've never actually handled a N80. I also have a F4S which really is an amazing camera. Big, heavy and yet incredibly delicate and precise to work with and still all of those lovely dials like a "real" camera. ;) Oh yeah, I also have a N2000, gift from a neighbour when they moved last Fall. It came with the "good" 50 f1.8 AIS so a nice little present.

What I like about using old glass on the full-frame Nikon bodies is that apart from having to dial up the lens I've mounted from a list I've set up in the menu (hooked into a single-button operation) I just use them exactly the same way as on the film bodies. I even get "Matrix", spot etc. metering with most of them. The only company to make the whole thing so seamless was Nikon with Pentax runner-up.
Which 50 1.8? There were a couple. The one I have is the close focus (0.45m), all metal jewel.
 
Yes, I use this for a few of my own older lenses.

About the DF, from Ken Rockwell:
"The only gotcha with unmodified Nikon F mount lenses that were made from 1959-1976 is that there is no way to couple the aperture into the camera; there is no original top-center feeler rod to couple manually to the lens' prong. With F mount lenses, you have to set the camera via the camera command dial to the same f/stop you set on your lens. More practically, I'll use stop-down metering (and AE lock if in AE) with F Mount lenses, exactly as we do with the Nikon FE."
What is surprising is how many of the pre-AI lenses were actually converted at the time. I run into the occasional older Nikkor that wasn't but the majority of them have been. All of those I own were before they came to live with me.
 
Which 50 1.8? There were a couple. The one I have is the close focus (0.45m), all metal jewel.
That's the one that came with the N2000. When my neighbour gave me the camera I was expecting the "E" that was usually sold with them, but I was shocked to discover the all-metal one that focuses to 1.5 ft. No idea how that happened as they weren't that widely available in N. America as far as I know. They also gave me a a Ricoh XR-2 with the 50 f2 that is surprisingly nice as well. Sometimes you get lucky. I've used the lens a few times on my Pentax LX when I didn't feel like taking the 50 f1.2 out.
 
The disadvantage to the Df for adapted lenses is the usual problem of the Nikon F mount flange focal distance being so long. At 46.5mm there aren't many 35mm cameras that went deeper, though the Leicaflex R mount does and one of the Zenit mounts. I shoot all sorts of vintage glass with the D750 and D3 (more than modern glass in truth), but only with F mount. I have this handy chart in my bookmarks for reference - Flange focal distance - Wikipedia

So basically with a Df you can use pretty much any lens extant that was made in a Nikon F mount. My interest in the Z7 is because with a flange focal distance of 16mm I can mount pretty much anything with an appropriate adapter and there are an incredible assortment of them available now. I'm not a big fan of the mirrorless finder nor their power inefficiency, but as an additional option with incredible image quality they are looking more appealing all the time. Being able to mount pretty much anything is tempting.
Agreed -- the DF is a true anachronism -- in so far it is a digital camera that can use both Ai and Non-AI (?) glass -- anything with an F mount. That makes the Df a really cool thing to any Nikkor geek :) I once knew more about that fit want flange mount wise -- then once mirrorless took over I figured it would not matter much for long.... I am stuck with a Canon 5D mkII and 6D ff 35mm DSLR's. I found that these cameras also mount to 95% of all F mount Nikon glass, AI or Non-AI using $10 adapter rings. I then found out actually liked some native canon glass... so don't use the Nikon stuff to much these days. I shoot only manual, studio setting tethered to a Android tablet in Live View. The photos can then be FTP uploaded immediately. It's a rig, and it's sad that Sony and the others just don't let you tether much.
 
What is surprising is how many of the pre-AI lenses were actually converted at the time. I run into the occasional older Nikkor that wasn't but the majority of them have been. All of those I own were before they came to live with me.
Yep -- I use Canon's in body metering... but the old nikon glass does not do it well if stopped down to high.... The DSLR's are actually a hoot to use with the old "preset" lenses, that have click-less apertures though (like the Helios).... Did you guys know Ken Rockwell does audio too? Damn fine reviews he does... I sold him a Crown amp cabinet once, haha. I don't jibe much with quite a few of his opinions -- but -- taken with a bit of salt, his site rocks!
 
With the DF you can use every lens Nikon made for an F mount. It doesn't have the feeler rod to couple with the aperture prong on the early lenses, but there is apparently a work-around. I looked long and carefully at this camera.
Really? Bummer -- are you sure? I thought it did .. so only Ai and not Non Ai then?
 
I've spent a little time with the Sony A7 cameras (not the most recent model, though) and a Z7 and I personally find the Sonys to be a bit clunky. The image quality is excellent with both models, though I slightly prefer the look of the Nikon as well with the rear-illuminated sensor design it shares with the D850. I suppose a pre-existing familiarity with Nikon's menu/button logic probably colours my views a bit. I find that the Z7 feels really comfortable to handle as well whereas the Sony is a lot more "blocky" (or however one would describe it). One other aspect to consider if you're planning on using old rangefinder glass is that it apparently actually doesn't tend to produce as good image quality on the Sony (especially the wideangle lenses) as on the Nikon bodies. What differences are involved I've no idea.

My plan should finances ever allow is for a Z7, FTZ adaptor and the native Z-mount 24-70 f4 which is apparently an incredible lens and light and compact. I've put in a note to Santa, but so far he has not been forthcoming.
I have so wanted to go with Sony several times. Sony is also a bit jerky with software developers -- closed hardware (even more than the others). Canon has been totally hacked -- you can sideload Magic Lantern on most of the DSLR's and get cinema quality video footage -- magic lantern is also good for stills. Sony's hardware also tends to overheat and the batteries a re bit small -- all just small gripes though
 
I agree on adapting lenses but that's the only issue I have with the crop sensor, on the Fujis at least. All crop sensors aren't the same - I wouldn't bother with a micro 4/3s camera. But I'd choose a recent Fuji x-trans sensor over almost any full frame from ten years ago. Just like all full frame sensors aren't the same. The whole debate reminds me of when people just get into hi-fi and dig in on opposite sides of very complex questions like MM vs LOMC, as if the info around the choices is only down to those broad labels. "Well its bigger it must be better". In some extremes yes, medium format is going to blow away Micro 4/3s. Or the 20 mp squeezed into a tiny phone camera not being the same as 20mp on a legit camera sensor.

Which is to say I think somebody who wants an aperture ring, exposure dial, ISO dial, and exposure compensation dial where God intended, they'd be remiss to not consider something like a Fuji XT-3.

All that and what really matters is the person shooting it. One of the best professional photographers I know now only uses, digitally, a Fuji X-100f with its fixed lens (while shooting Mamiya 120 medium format for analog). You could put ten people in a room with him with 'better' cameras and he'd be the one published.
Maybe someone can console me on this one -- -agreed with all above.... I like crop sensors. They are sharper. More practical for video. New ones, yes plenty of MP too. Yeah, the focal lengths need to be accounted for, but I often don't hear griping about a favorite 50mm now becoming a 90mm for portrait use, haha!

My question.... how to I get the DOF on crop, that I can on FF -- you just can't find wide lenses that are as fast (and sharp) !
Here's the strange one for me -- as per all my other rambles.... I am stuck using Canon DSLR's for various reasons, adapted to vintage glass and a couple of EOS fav's.
But, I also need a 50mm view (which on a crop needs to be closer to 28) -- and to be really good low light -- absolutely no flash -- and a really low depth of field.....
( Can't do it on a crop sensor. If I open the 50mm up to 1.4 -- for more light I can shoot in near total darkness, even with a 7 year old Canon 6D!)
This is confusion I know -- but it's all connected I found. To get professional studio results, it seems I need 35mm, for 35mm glass.
For video, crop sensors are fine...but I noticed FF got me a look I'll never get tired of!!!
 
Maybe someone can console me on this one -- -agreed with all above.... I like crop sensors. They are sharper. More practical for video. New ones, yes plenty of MP too. Yeah, the focal lengths need to be accounted for, but I often don't hear griping about a favorite 50mm now becoming a 90mm for portrait use, haha!

My question.... how to I get the DOF on crop, that I can on FF -- you just can't find wide lenses that are as fast (and sharp) !
Here's the strange one for me -- as per all my other rambles.... I am stuck using Canon DSLR's for various reasons, adapted to vintage glass and a couple of EOS fav's.
But, I also need a 50mm view (which on a crop needs to be closer to 28) -- and to be really good low light -- absolutely no flash -- and a really low depth of field.....
( Can't do it on a crop sensor. If I open the 50mm up to 1.4 -- for more light I can shoot in near total darkness, even with a 7 year old Canon 6D!)
This is confusion I know -- but it's all connected I found. To get professional studio results, it seems I need 35mm, for 35mm glass.
For video, crop sensors are fine...but I noticed FF got me a look I'll never get tired of!!!
You can get an adaptor like a MetaBones Speedbooster which has a reverse element which focuses the lens down onto the sensor maintaining the original 35mm, 50mm, etc, and gaining 'speed' though I think what you end up with is what you'd get on a full frame - so you're probably better off where you are if only using vintage lenses. I can get razor thin DOF on my Xpro-2 but its best with the lenses made for the camera, or when using either my Speedbooster or Lens Turbo adapters. The problem with the Speedbooster is its not cheap so its best for picking a brand of vintage lenses and sticking with them. I had a whole bunch of Minolta lenses, which is why I have a Speedbooster for Minolta.

I don't have all of my old files handy but I think this was taken with a Minolta lens and the Speedbooster. I don't have any close-up macro shots handy.

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In this photo my wife and I took of the cameras we took on our honeymoon, you can see the Speedbooster on a Minolta lens.

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And with lenses made for the camera - I don't know why somebody would need less depth of field than this.

I'm not really making a case -for- the Fuji sensor over full-frame, just that its more complicated.

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Agreed -- the DF is a true anachronism -- in so far it is a digital camera that can use both Ai and Non-AI (?) glass -- anything with an F mount. That makes the Df a really cool thing to any Nikkor geek :) I once knew more about that fit want flange mount wise -- then once mirrorless took over I figured it would not matter much for long.... I am stuck with a Canon 5D mkII and 6D ff 35mm DSLR's. I found that these cameras also mount to 95% of all F mount Nikon glass, AI or Non-AI using $10 adapter rings. I then found out actually liked some native canon glass... so don't use the Nikon stuff to much these days. I shoot only manual, studio setting tethered to a Android tablet in Live View. The photos can then be FTP uploaded immediately. It's a rig, and it's sad that Sony and the others just don't let you tether much.
My tech sometimes has almost a full-time job converting various lenses to Canon mount for a local videographer. Sometimes it isn't too painful as the work is reversible, but sometimes depending upon the mount it is a one-way street and I find it a bit painful to watch. Still, they are lenses meant to do work and they're doing work...
 
My tech sometimes has almost a full-time job converting various lenses to Canon mount for a local videographer. Sometimes it isn't too painful as the work is reversible, but sometimes depending upon the mount it is a one-way street and I find it a bit painful to watch. Still, they are lenses meant to do work and they're doing work...
I worked with a company that had converted Panavision cinema lenses to Canon bodies for cinematography in tight places. That was a bit more unique at the time, before really nice film-quality cameras shrank, like the Red Epic and Arii Alexas. Still, it was pretty amazing what. you could get out of an older Canon 5D or 6D just by having that kind of lens on it.
 
You can get an adaptor like a MetaBones Speedbooster which has a reverse element which focuses the lens down onto the sensor maintaining the original 35mm, 50mm, etc, and gaining 'speed' though I think what you end up with is what you'd get on a full frame - so you're probably better off where you are if only using vintage lenses. I can get razor thin DOF on my Xpro-2 but its best with the lenses made for the camera, or when using either my Speedbooster or Lens Turbo adapters. The problem with the Speedbooster is its not cheap so its best for picking a brand of vintage lenses and sticking with them. I had a whole bunch of Minolta lenses, which is why I have a Speedbooster for Minolta.

I don't have all of my old files handy but I think this was taken with a Minolta lens and the Speedbooster. I don't have any close-up macro shots handy.

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In this photo my wife and I took of the cameras we took on our honeymoon, you can see the Speedbooster on a Minolta lens.

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What I took on my honeymoon, short though it was. I left the flash and motordrive at home, though, just took the 25 f2.8, 50 f1.4 and 100 f2...
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I worked with a company that had converted Panavision cinema lenses to Canon bodies for cinematography in tight places. That was a bit more unique at the time, before really nice film-quality cameras shrank, like the Red Epic and Arii Alexas. Still, it was pretty amazing what. you could get out of an older Canon 5D or 6D just by having that kind of lens on it.
The chap Adrian does all of the conversions for some reason shoots exclusively with 35mm German glass, all Leica R and Zeiss C/Y mount stuff. He brings in the most gorgeous, exotic glass and has the conversions done. Some of the lenses he uses I'd never seen examples of outside of a brochure...
 
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