“Room, Room, Room” OR “I Thought I Needed Big Loudspeakers”

MikeT.

Senior Member
I’ve been a British speaker guy for probably 40 years, nothing larger than an 8” bass driver and mostly silk dome tweeters. Strictly two-way. My listening spaces have included small apartments, carpeted basements, very large game rooms and now a smallish dedicated listening room 12’ 8” x 11’ 8” extra bedroom.

I have known, intellectually, for a goodish time that acoustics are VERY important. I’ve made an effort to focus on speaker placement, using commercial absorption panels to tame reflective surfaces, single and dual subs in an effort to get the bass right. I’ve succeeded in getting the my speakers to sound good, really good, particularly mid-bass, midrange and high end. Even with the subs, there was something missing, that immediacy of a kick drum, the sharp snap of a snare, a live soundstage.

Who would have thought I would finally get a taste, wrestling with speaker placement and acoustics in my current listening space.

I’ve always tried to place speakers about a foot or so from the wall, maybe a little more. I’ve followed instructions for sub placement and had generally good results. But moving the Spendors to two feet out, 6 1/2’ apart, 7 1/2’ from my listening position with the sub tucked into a corner behind the left speaker @14” out and it’s like Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong and their orchestras just showed up. Except the drummer is four feet behind the speaker plane and I can hear the wire brushes on the snare, clearly. The sub is fully pressurizing the room. Even my wife noted, without prompting, the full chest-thumping bass.

The soundstage is wider than ever and I’ve stopped thinking about Klipsch. It’s the best my system has ever sounded and I got there accidentally. It’s LIVE.

So placement and acoustics ARE important and I’ve now experienced it first hand at home. :smoke :jump
 

TubeHiFiNut

Administrator
Room and speaker placement can make all the difference in the world. :)

I am very pleased that things are now working so nicely with your system. :)
 

opa1

Moderator
Staff member
I’ve been a British speaker guy for probably 40 years, nothing larger than an 8” bass driver and mostly silk dome tweeters. Strictly two-way. My listening spaces have included small apartments, carpeted basements, very large game rooms and now a smallish dedicated listening room 12’ 8” x 11’ 8” extra bedroom.

I have known, intellectually, for a goodish time that acoustics are VERY important. I’ve made an effort to focus on speaker placement, using commercial absorption panels to tame reflective surfaces, single and dual subs in an effort to get the bass right. I’ve succeeded in getting the my speakers to sound good, really good, particularly mid-bass, midrange and high end. Even with the subs, there was something missing, that immediacy of a kick drum, the sharp snap of a snare, a live soundstage.

Who would have thought I would finally get a taste, wrestling with speaker placement and acoustics in my current listening space.

I’ve always tried to place speakers about a foot or so from the wall, maybe a little more. I’ve followed instructions for sub placement and had generally good results. But moving the Spendors to two feet out, 6 1/2’ apart, 7 1/2’ from my listening position with the sub tucked into a corner behind the left speaker @14” out and it’s like Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong and their orchestras just showed up. Except the drummer is four feet behind the speaker plane and I can hear the wire brushes on the snare, clearly. The sub is fully pressurizing the room. Even my wife noted, without prompting, the full chest-thumping bass.

The soundstage is wider than ever and I’ve stopped thinking about Klipsch. It’s the best my system has ever sounded and I got there accidentally. It’s LIVE.

So placement and acoustics ARE important and I’ve now experienced it first hand at home. :smoke:jump
Excellent results!!!
 
Mike, Nice work on your changes. I bet it now sounds fab.

Several years ago, I picked-up these Altec duplex speakers and placed them on the floor of my finished basement - sounded OK. Then I put them on these makeshift stands away from the wall and they sounded much better.

Then I took the speakers to a friend's listening room (with way better acoustics than my place) and they sounded fantastic.

I learned speaker placement and proper stands are important. But over the years I learned room acoustics are more important.

Cheers,

Snade

(photos from 2006)

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MikeT.

Senior Member
I’m really liking the way this setup is sounding. I know, in theory, maybe the sub should be out a tad more or crossed over a little lower, the left speaker is not equidistant from the wall compared to the right speaker but DAMN it sounds so good I’m deathly afraid to move anything an inch. So I’m leaving it alone for a while.
 

prime minister

Site Owner
Staff member
Great news, Mike. To me, it shows two things:

1) There is no right way to fantastic sound

And

2) How far the state of the audio art has progressed.

I'm guessing it sounds fantastic.
 

Ilusndweller

Junior Member
Great read, it sounds like you have optimized your 2.1 setup well. The sub blends seemlessly with the speakers to present a realistic (and good sized) 3d soundstage. I look forward to finally have a listening room big enough to where my speakers arent forced to be against a wall or in a corner. I love 2.1 and 2.2 systems and that is mostly what I run. One of my all time faves was Source>Creek OBH-12 passive pre>split output> Lux M120A>B&W CDM-1SE. Other output to 10” Velodyne Servo Sub (early 90s, built-in low pass filter). The Velodyne had a high pass that I could send to the B&Ws but I liked them better run full range at the lower volumes I tend to listen at. You might be able to get a little more bass (if you want more) by moving the sub closer to a wall/corner though this may throw off your soundstage. Actually I reread your post “tucked into a corner” so it sounds like it is and the enclosure is about 14”. Did you do the sub crawl to see that you are getting good bass everywhere in the room? If you have never tried this you should as there can be “dead areas” (no/little bass). Im thinking if the bass is optimized to the entire room then it should be optimized to listening chair spot. My firsthand experience in this matter is not great though as I am not a “listener chair” person bc all my listening spaces have been small thus far and the possibility for even a reasonable listening spot never existed(like I actually need to be able to walk around and put things like dressers).

“Its LIVE.”
Nice!!!! :)

Thanks for sharing your experiences Snade, great looking Altecs and setup!
 
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