Coming soon: Audirvana Studio

airdronian

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I'd read elsewhere last night about a new version of Audirvana that's about to drop. Sure enough this morning my inbox had an invitation from the Audirvana folks for the Grand Premiere of Audirvana Studio on May 9th.

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This explains the relatively slow development cycle of late and I anticipate a number of changes or improvements. From what I've read there might be the Internet Radio that some folks have been waiting years for, improved streaming and who knows what else. There's also a slight rebranding going on as well.

This is great news for us Audirvana users, as I had felt the app has not been keeping pace with expectations. I don't do Facebook and won't be participating on launch day, but the news will be out soon enough.
 

MikeyFresh

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This is great news for us Audirvana users, as I had felt the app has not been keeping pace with expectations. I don't do Facebook and won't be participating on launch day, but the news will be out soon enough.
Me neither and this is yet another stupid case of a brand just assuming that everyone in the world is on Facebook. Too bad, but as you said the news will be out soon enough, I don't necessarily need to livestream it, certainly not on Facebook.
 

prime minister

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They must not like furreners. Never sent me the invite.

I've been getting a bit tired of Audirvana, though I never really loved it. An upgrade will be a very good thing.
 

MikeyFresh

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They must not like furreners. Never sent me the invite.

I've been getting a bit tired of Audirvana, though I never really loved it. An upgrade will be a very good thing.
I just received my email invite moments ago, so apparently they are still sending them out in batches.
 

airdronian

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So as I wait in anticipation for the release, I went back to the Audirvana site @ audirvana.com/studio and looked around again. At that location when I scrolled to the bottom a video autoplayed and it was showing some of the new UI features. Maybe that's what was playing in the background during the announcement last weekend, I had glimpsed some things but wasn't sure. This time I could see some of what's in store with the new design and it has me encouraged.

Enhanced sorting. I hope this extends to things like Tidal favourites (please please please). There's a playlist manager. An HD audio analyzer. I'd imagine HD is interchangeable with our use of the term hi-res, and it does an analysis of the audio and seems to indicate if the track is really hi-res or just upsampled redbook. I'll see during the demo I suppose. I don't know if some of these features are already present on other players, but the improvements in sorting and managing playlists are welcome.

More tomorrow if there's no show-stopper bugs. :)
 

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An HD audio analyzer. I'd imagine HD is interchangeable with our use of the term hi-res, and it does an analysis of the audio and seems to indicate if the track is really hi-res or just upsampled redbook.
Thats an interesting and useful feature, making it easier to sample something with Qobuz or TIDAL and know whether or not it is worth even considering buying it in "hi-res" download form or not.

I also wonder how smart it will be, for example with MQA tracks that are all 44.1 and 48kHz native sample rate, but through their upsampling process they do produce high frequency garbage that could trick some software into thinking there is real musical content above 22kHz, when there is not.
 

airdronian

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News flash: Audirvana Studio is out. It did not seem to release until the early evening Paris time. It really is a new app, with a learning curve, but 3.5 owners will see things they recognize. So far, so good. Have a month to evaluate.

The new remote app doesn't appear to be released yet. It will be universal for all Audirvana versions according to what I read, and the current remote app is erroring when trying to connect. That will be out soon hopefully.

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airdronian

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So far there's some hits and misses IMO with the way the app operates. Unless it's something I've missed, I cant seem to filter Tidal favourites. This was something I was hoping for, as during times I want to listen to Jazz or Classical I'd like to list just those genres. That sort of info I would hope is in the metadata that comes with the Tidal stream.

The radio functions work, but sometimes I encounter white noise when restarting a stream. Selecting a different station seems to start it playing again. Haven't used it much so far. They do have selections of stations by genre which is handy, but most of all is being able to sort by location is an interesting feature. If you want to explore you can select another country and see what is available. That's something I will look at more. There is an easy way to enter a new URL, but the initial reports I've seen indicate those added URLs aren't saved. They'll need to fix that.

I initially started playing familiar items, and it did sound different than 3.5. To me it was just different though, and I hadn't decided whether I liked it better or not. Looking more at the settings, this was with a WASAPI output, and I had thought this just affected locally connected DAC's. There's ASIO as well, but the new feature for Windows 10 is the Kernel Streaming option. This option did make a difference, a positive one for me, and I'm still soaking it in. In general the bulk of what I listen to is acoustic - jazz or classical. It may benefit these styles, but that remains to be seen. It's still early days yet, but I am keen on the Kernel Streaming feature. I'll need to do more comparisons.

Lastly, the new Remote app is not out yet, as noted above. The older version of the Remote app won't connect to A-Studio (my abbreviation for Audirvana Studio - getting tired of spelling all that). For me this is going to be an important piece, since my install is running headless and I connect from either an Android phone or ChromeOS. I'm really enjoying not having a traditional computer in the room and using a UPnP endpoint in the form of Raspberry Pi/Moode. The performance and functionality of the Remote app will go a long way to making me a satisfied user. So far the software is mostly working well, I just need to be able to interact with it easily. Their website indicated the new Remote to be released within this initial trial period.

The change to a subscription model is significant, and I'm hoping that a stable cash flow ensues, allowing them to develop more consistently and offer a better product as a result. The TCO has gone up, so I'd like a return on that.
 

airdronian

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Still waiting on the release of the new remote app, halfway through the trial. Whereas a number of things have changed with the software, other things stay the same - the remote will show up when it's good and ready.

I can wait. The rollout hasn't been the smoothest but at least two updates have been issued already. Apparently the software appended some metadata to the individual music files without notice. For most of us there was no real impact, but those guys who are backing up TB sized libraries into cloud services sure noticed. That's been fixed I think.

I had a good laugh at one of the threads in the community forum, a user proclaimed AS (Audirvana Studio) sounded bad and he was switching to Roon.

"System matching is certainly a part of this and I wouldn’t have started the thread if I found other gear where AS sounds good… I find it concerning however every DAC I’ve tried sounds bad with AS."

To his credit he updated the thread after changing amplifiers, and now it's "magic". It's easy to jump to conclusions, I think we all do it from time to time.

I think that AS will remain a quirky piece of software. I believe they have improved it, but it's still Audirvana. :)
 

MikeyFresh

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Still waiting on the release of the new remote app, halfway through the trial. Whereas a number of things have changed with the software, other things stay the same - the remote will show up when it's good and ready.
I got an email today saying the new Remote app would be released on iOS and Android "next week".

No real details there, including whether or not it is free/included with Studio, or if it will be compatible only with Studio, or also with instances of the now EOL Audirvana 3.5.x.
 

airdronian

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I got an email today saying the new Remote app would be released on iOS and Android "next week".

No real details there, including whether or not it is free/included with Studio, or if it will be compatible only with Studio, or also with instances of the now EOL Audirvana 3.5.x.
As I understand it, the app is at no charge. It has been this way for some time now, that change was made at some point when 3.5.x was released. The new one is supposed to be compatible with all versions of Audirvana. Remote - Audirvana

Just two days left in the trial for me. I think it's time to pony up the subscription, but I'm still a little hesitant because of the end point restriction I still have. I should probably try another Roon demo, and see if life is easier with this sort of configuration. As it stands, Audirvana Studio is around $40 less on a per year basis.
 

MikeyFresh

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The new one is supposed to be compatible with all versions of Audirvana.
Thats good news, the email I received wasn't really clear there, or I just missed it.

One area I had wished for improvement with Audirvana was the Remote app, but I was worried it would be a whole new version only compatible with Studio, which I'm not ready to spring for as yet because JRiver remains my daily driver, I'm only really using Audirvana for the Qobuz integration at this time.

I paid for Audirvana Remote back when it was still a separate paid add-on, so I should get this update, perhaps next week by the sound of it.
 

airdronian

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Thats good news, the email I received wasn't clear there, or I just missed it.

One area I had wished for improvement with Audirvana was the Remote app, but I was worried it would be a whole new version only compatible with Studio, which I'm not ready to spring for as yet because JRiver remains my daily driver, I'm only really using Audirvana for the Qobuz integration at this time.

I paid for Audirvana Remote back when it was still a separate paid add-on, so I should get this update, perhaps next week by the sound of it.
I paid for mine as well. And I've been checking the Play store so frequently I bunged it up on my phone - had to delete the Play Store cache and data to get it working again. :tongue:
 

MikeyFresh

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Tomorrow (Friday) is the end of "next week", but still no new Audirvana Remote app as promised in that email sent to subscribers. I really hope it lands tomorrow, Damien needs a win at this point.

He is now also relying on the Apple App Store and Google Play Store approval process to go smoothly, especially tough with Apple where they insist on actual testing of the app with the parent application and a real music library. I could see that causing a delay.

I don't think the Play Store is quite as stringent in their app review process.
 

airdronian

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Tomorrow (Friday) is the end of "next week", but still no new Audirvana Remote app as promised in that email sent to subscribers. I really hope it lands tomorrow, Damien needs a win at this point.

He is now also relying on the Apple App Store and Google Play Store approval process to go smoothly, especially tough with Apple where they insist on actual testing of the app with the parent application and a real music library. I could see that causing a delay.

I don't think the Play Store is quite as stringent in their app review process.
It'll show up at some point. Maybe the store approvals are taking more time than expected. It seems like Audirvana is trying to go thru the launch without any change to support. The website doesn't consolidate information well enough IMO, so it's hard to keep track of things.

One place on the company website I read how they have a community forum, where users can seek support from fellow members. That does seem to be how it is treated for the most part, with limited input from the support staff. Unfortunately, the community forum doesn't say that on the header, so people end up making a post and thinking they are reporting an issue to Audirvana. When they are actually asking fellow members for assistance and in many cases the membership draws a blank. If it relates to a bug, or feature request there's nothing the membership can do.

I've requested a trial extension, that may or may not happen. If there isn't any change by the time my Roon trial expires, I may go back to 3.5 or switch.
 
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