DL 103M the other great 103

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I’m a huge fan of the DL 103D, but just rotated in a 103M for the first time and wow, it’s a fantastic cartridge

@Redoy built me an Altec Peerless 4629 to use with 103M, not sure why I waited so long to try it
:dunno:


Here’s some particulars…

The Denon DL 103M

Special elliptical stylus

Special aluminum body

Very low output 0.12mV

40 ohm impedance

Amorphous Boron cantilever

elliptical stylus

13CU (Japan)

Tracking Force 1.4 g

Mounted on Alfred Bokrand’s latest AB 309 12” Banana arm

SUT is a n @Redboy Altec Peerless 4629 wired 1:23

tracking at 1.38g

The presentation is outstanding, very noticeable instrument separation, tonal clarity, tweeters come alive, without a noticeable reduction in midrange or bass, excellent musical note separation, and note decay more detailed

This is just an outstanding cartridge, I’d rate it higher than my basic 103 with elliptical and better than my 103R with elliptical

VR
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I think you're going to be "Look at this cart" and we're all going to be "droool that turntable!". Though its great to see some commentary on the variants of the DL-103. I might consider one for my Empire.
 
BEAUTIFUL turntable.

Joe
I think you're going to be "Look at this cart" and we're all going to be "droool that turntable!". Though its great to see some commentary on the variants of the DL-103. I might consider one for my Empire.
Appreciate the kind comments…..reference the 103M, this was pointed out to me

These are air core design, closer to the DL-1S than any other cartridge. It is not a typical 103.”



Andy
 
Appreciate the kind comments…..reference the 103M, this was pointed out to me

These are air core design, closer to the DL-1S than any other cartridge. It is not a typical 103.”



Andy
The last Denon cart I had was a DL-207, and it seems to fit some of the descriptors of the DL-103m, though my memory of it is a bit foggy. It suffered a cantilever collapse due to age and it being run on an arm too-heavy for it (something most 103s don't balk at). A very nice sounding cart, though it was quite particular about loading.
 
The last Denon cart I had was a DL-207, and it seems to fit some of the descriptors of the DL-103m, though my memory of it is a bit foggy. It suffered a cantilever collapse due to age and it being run on an arm too-heavy for it (something most 103s don't balk at). A very nice sounding cart, though it was quite particular about loading.
My venture into the 103 world was because of @BillWojo, Bill sent me a Denon AU 320 (so he also got me hooked on SUTs) and I purchased a VAS basic 103 with weight & elliptical, then someone traded me a 103R with a broken cantilever so it went to Joseph Long for an elliptical upgrade.

Built a couple of vintage SUTs with RCA 12399 and was having a conversation with Mr. Pig about tables and carts over on AK and John suggested the 103M. Found an NOS 103M in Japan, but it was lost in shipping so ended up with this one.

Since I didn’t actually have a SUT that would play the 103M, Nate offered to build me a 4629 SUT…. needed something to do while waiting so built another EAR 834p clone so my other SUTs would actually work with the M but that’s another story ;)

Traded for a couple of 103Ds and the D soon became my favorite Denon DL, but then the 103M replacement came and that’s what prompted the review…

Would say the 103M is my favorite overall cartridge, but my cart history is limited to MM, MI for the most part, so:chin

Andy
 
I must admit I have never even looked at a japanese cartridge. I have always had danish,english or american carts. I have a few in my cart junk box, but never bothered to try any of them.

Joe
 
My venture into the 103 world was because of @BillWojo, Bill sent me a Denon AU 320 (so he also got me hooked on SUTs) and I purchased a VAS basic 103 with weight & elliptical, then someone traded me a 103R with a broken cantilever so it went to Joseph Long for an elliptical upgrade.

Built a couple of vintage SUTs with RCA 12399 and was having a conversation with Mr. Pig about tables and carts over on AK and John suggested the 103M. Found an NOS 103M in Japan, but it was lost in shipping so ended up with this one.

Since I didn’t actually have a SUT that would play the 103M, Nate offered to build me a 4629 SUT…. needed something to do while waiting so built another EAR 834p clone so my other SUTs would actually work with the M but that’s another story ;)

Traded for a couple of 103Ds and the D soon became my favorite Denon DL, but then the 103M replacement came and that’s what prompted the review…

Would say the 103M is my favorite overall cartridge, but my cart history is limited to MM, MI for the most part, so:chin

Andy
What was the "VAS basic 103" ? Was it one of his wood bodied types - the entry level Ebony ? I think about those from time to time as he can adjust the suspension to play nice with my tonearm.
 
What was the "VAS basic 103" ? Was it one of his wood bodied types - the entry level Ebony ? I think about those from time to time as he can adjust the suspension to play nice with my tonearm.
Mark:

My VAS 103 is just the original body, with an added weight and elliptical, one of his base models….believe a stock 103D is better, intent is to modify my D when the time comes ;)

Andy
 
Mark:

My VAS 103 is just the original body, with an added weight and elliptical, one of his base models….believe a stock 103D is better, intent is to modify my D when the time comes ;)

Andy
Good info above, thank you!

Also planning on modifying a broken-tipped 103D in my stash.
 
Well, John, I collected most of them over 25 years ago when rebranding was not so common.
There are a couple of Grados, a couple of Shures, Some Philips ( all Dutch Philips, but that may mean Belgium ) at least one
Empire. I have some more Empires somewhere.

And assorted japanese junk.

And listen here buddy !! thats a REAL vintage Henri Wintermans wood box !!!, and everybody knows wood is mo-bedda than plastic.

:p:jump

Jokin of course

Joe
 
Well, John, I collected most of them over 25 years ago when rebranding was not so common.
Lemme tell ya how many carts are the same as a Grace F8... ;)

Somethin' in that box must be begging for a stylus. Besides the loose rock.
 
ALL of them need stylii. I have a couple of V15's that I listen to, and spare stylii for the same.( not MR series, which is what my cart really is ).

With a 3009, you cant beat a V15, especially with my ears. So I havent bothered with them much.
The Grado was OK, but lacked the clarity of the V15. The Empires I collected from the radio station where I was the engineer, when they went all digital. They are pretty tough, and sound pretty good as well, but a stylus costs really stupid money these days, so I havent bothered.
I have a wife that just loves cleaning !!!, which plays hell on stylus bars !!!.

Somebody liked my collection of Ortofon's that I also got from the radio station. Designed explicitly for radio jock use. Fitted straight into the 3009. I had all three models. Thats 33 1/3 mono, brown, red, 33 1/3 stereo, and some green 78 models. I hope whoever lifted them at least knew what they had.

Oh well, I prolly would have given them away anyway.

Joe
 
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