DSD playback options

MikeyFresh

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It is pretty much impossible to do a home theater without an AVR. You can't get 7.2.6 without one.
Right, but this is a DSD playback options thread, not a home theater AVR 7.2.6 thread.

The thread you originally posted in is an SACD ripping thread (only), which is why I moved that post here, because you were asking DSD conversion to PCM and playback questions.

If you'd like to start a home theater PC thread, perhaps we have members interested in that topic, I personally listen to stereo only.
 
I do not and have never used an AVR, in no small part due to their typically subpar DLNA implementation, and hit or miss DSD support. A Raspberry Pi streamer and USB DAC are going to be both better, and less expensive for DSD playback purposes.
If you don't have a home theater for your movie/tv show/audio viewing/listening, then yes, your setup is fine. But, for those of us who want a multi-channel home theater experience, an AVR is a requirement. I will need a new AVR for the new setup and will make sure that the new AVR can handle FLAC and DSD via DLNA.
 
How you guys listen to you files software, devices etc. Im planing to listening for now on my oppo 203 via USB but I would like to get the best of it. Any suggestions?
 
Have you guys hear about Pine player for Mac? I use that one to stream from my computer to Apple air port express connected to parasound P5 and to a Denon receiver x4300 both via airplay.
I also use Pine player to upconvert normal flac file from my CDs to 24-192.
 

MikeyFresh

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Have you guys hear about Pine player for Mac? I use that one to stream from my computer to Apple air port express connected to parasound P5 and to a Denon receiver x4300 both via airplay.
I also use Pine player to upconvert normal flac file from my CDs to 24-192.
I've heard good things about Pine player and I believe we have one other member here who said they use it.

I used Apple Airport Express for many years but now it's just a WiFi extender, as the audio output is limited to 16/44.1 which no longer suits me. But it did from 2007 to early 2016.
 

MikeyFresh

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How you guys listen to you files software, devices etc. Im planing to listening for now on my oppo 203 via USB but I would like to get the best of it. Any suggestions?
Many of us use a software media server such as DLNA/UPnP, or Logitech Media Server to stream content to various endpoint devices. Your Oppo 203 is one such device, it can connect to a DLNA server or SMB network share.

On a Mac, I like either Audirvana, or JRiver as the server software. In this scenario, your USB storage device connects to the Mac instead of the 203, and the files are streamed to the 203 over a network connection.
 
Many of us use a software media server such as DLNA/UPnP, or Logitech Media Server to stream content to various endpoint devices. Your Oppo 203 is one such device, it can connect to a DLNA server or SMB network share.

On a Mac, I like either Audirvana, or JRiver as the server software. In this scenario, your USB storage device connects to the Mac instead of the 203, and the files are streamed to the 203 over a network connection.
Thats a great idea but I haven’t done any of that DLNA/UPnP, I know my oppo has a network settings but I don’t know how to set it up.
So you suggest goin over server rather the external hard drive?
 

MikeyFresh

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Thats a great idea but I haven’t done any of that DLNA/UPnP, I know my oppo has a network settings but I don’t know how to set it up.
So you suggest goin over server rather the external hard drive?
Yes I do, but that may just come down to a personal preference thing with how you access and control the playback. I have never been a big fan of the somewhat rudimentary on-screen displayed interface of a disc player for accessing albums on an external HDD, however I have never actually seen that on an Oppo 203, maybe it's perfectly acceptable to you for browsing and accessing albums?

I much prefer a real DLNA/UPnP compatible server program such as JRiver, or Audirvana. Others prefer Foobar2000 (Windows only), or Roon on the high-end of things. You then access the albums via the computer interface itself, or an app running on an iOS or Android device, and they are streamed to the 203 over your network.

Thats the way I do it, but if you find the 203's on-screen displayed interface satisfactory then you can certainly use that in conjunction with the external HDD instead.

It's very easy to setup on the Oppo, but you may or may not find the download and configuration of those server programs to be easy. Our own @Prime Minister among others has setup Audirvana as a server on a Mac without any troubles, it's not really hard, and it sounds great to boot. Give the free trial version a shot, see if you like it.
 
Yes I do, but that may just come down to a personal preference thing with how you access and control the playback. I have never been a big fan of the somewhat rudimentary on-screen displayed interface of a disc player for accessing albums on an external HDD, however I have never actually seen that on an Oppo 203, maybe it's perfectly acceptable to you for browsing and accessing albums?

I much prefer a real DLNA/UPnP compatible server program such as JRiver, or Audirvana. Others prefer Foobar2000 (Windows only), or Roon on the high-end of things. You then access the albums via the computer interface itself, or an app running on an iOS or Android device, and they are streamed to the 203 over your network.

Thats the way I do it, but if you find the 203's on-screen displayed interface satisfactory then you can certainly use that in conjunction with the external HDD instead.

It's very easy to setup on the Oppo, but you may or may not find the download and configuration of those server programs to be easy. Our own @Prime Minister among others has setup Audirvana as a server on a Mac without any troubles, it's not really hard, and it sounds great to boot. Give the free trial version a shot, see if you like it.
I guess my best bet will be external hard drive connected to the oppo and use the oppo media server app on my iPhone. That way I can control everything from my iPad or iPhone
 
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I was able to connect Plex to my oppo 203 from my Mac. Now I can stream the music using the Plex app now I can sit and relax. :grandpa:
 

MikeyFresh

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I was able to connect Plex to my oppo 203 from my Mac. Now I can stream the music using the Plex app now I can sit and relax. :grandpa:
But does Plex transcode to something other than the native sample rate?

Plex is really a video oriented server program in my opinion, and while it's been some years since I've tried it for audio use, I doubt that much has changed there.

I suggest you'll get a better sonic result, i.e. no transcoding, using a different server program. I think you'd find Audirvana or JRiver much better for audio purposes, unless Plex has come a very long way in the last few years with audio streaming.

My 2 cents, Plex is really a video server, I think it is transcoding, certainly it did with DSD.
 
But does Plex transcode to something other than the native sample rate?

Plex is really a video oriented server program in my opinion, and while it's been some years since I've tried it for audio use, I doubt much has changed there.

I suggest you'll get a better sonic result, i.e. no transcoding, using a different server program. I think you'd find Audirvana or JRiver much better for audio purposes, unless Plex has come a very long way in the last few years with audio streaming.

My 2 cents, Plex is really a video server, I think it is transcoding, certainly it did with DSD.
This is what I getting streaming from Plex (pic attached) This files I bought them at DSD 512
 

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I suspect that it is showing you the original file info, but when playing it, it gets transcoded as noted by MikeyFresh.
I didn’t notice any difference when I tested the sound connecting via USB vs streaming via Plex. I probably have to be listen in a critical mode to see if a notice a difference sonically
 

MikeyFresh

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This is what I getting streaming from Plex (pic attached) This files I bought them at DSD 512
I'd certainly be curious if Plex now offers some kind of documentation that suggests native sample rate streaming. My use of Plex for audio goes back several years now, so it's possible they've enhanced it in this area.

One thing I remember about that experience was the lack of clarity on what was actually happening, it wasn't entirely clear what Plex was doing and my ears told me it was transcoding. Perhaps that is no longer the case.
 
I'd certainly be curious if Plex now offers some kind of documentation that suggests native sample rate streaming. My use of Plex for audio goes back several years now, so it's possible they've enhanced it in this area.

One thing I remember about that experience was the lack of clarity on what was actually happening, it wasn't entirely clear what Plex was doing and my ears told me it was transcoding. Perhaps that is no longer the case.
You should check it out. It would be interesting what you think about it.
 
But does Plex transcode to something other than the native sample rate?

Plex is really a video oriented server program in my opinion, and while it's been some years since I've tried it for audio use, I doubt that much has changed there.

I suggest you'll get a better sonic result, i.e. no transcoding, using a different server program. I think you'd find Audirvana or JRiver much better for audio purposes, unless Plex has come a very long way in the last few years with audio streaming.

My 2 cents, Plex is really a video server, I think it is transcoding, certainly it did with DSD.
I forgot to tell that Plex has a Tidal integrated now.
 
Turns out that it is nearly impossible to find an AVR that will play audio media files from a DLNA server, or USB flash drive, in 5.1. Only stereo. Supposedly there is a Sony AVR that will. Turns out it takes a Blu-ray player, like the Sony UBP-X800M2, connected to your AVR via HDMI. The manual says that it won't even play audio from a DNLA server. Turns out it works just fine. So, if you rip your multi-channel SACD discs and want to play the multi-channel audio via your AVR, you'll need an external device to do it.

Just an info note for those who want to do this.
 
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