Dynavector XV-1

That is something that puzzles me at these shows. Some modern tube systems today sound like solid state. No magic at all--it's just more "electronics." Why bother, then? Audio jewelry? Bragging rights? 🤷‍♂️ I'm not saying everything should revert to decades past but on the other hand, if I had to get spendy on new, modern electronics today, I'd probably go right to solid state and ditch the issues with tubes wearing out (and availability).
Agreed! Especially with so many great SS brands out there now like First Watt, Dartzeel, and Nagra.
 
I have a similar thing going where I think a lot of the better modern solid state solves what tubes used to solve for. So...why bother? Even in more humble situations like phono preamps I've soured on tubes. I just don't think they're worth the hassle anymore. Or maybe my tastes have just settled into something else, I dunno.
That's probably it--your tastes have changed or rather, the sound you're after today isn't something that tubes will deliver for you.

And putting on my devil's advocate hat, you also haven't heard every tube system out there either. None of us can hear everything. We all go through situations like this. We swear off something (brands, tubes vs. silicon, MC vs. MM vs. MI, etc.), only to hear something a decade or two later that completely changes our minds. I think the magic lies more in the component and its execution, regardless of how it got there.
 
Agreed! Especially with so many great SS brands out there now like First Watt, Dartzeel, and Nagra.
Pass Labs has been a favorite also. In shows past, many of the systems I liked were driven by Pass Labs amplifiers. Constellation is another I've enjoyed.

A hybrid approach is also a possibility, using a solid state amp that uses a tubed input stage.
 
I have a similar thing going where I think a lot of the better modern solid state solves what tubes used to solve for. So...why bother? Even in more humble situations like phono preamps I've soured on tubes. I just don't think they're worth the hassle anymore. Or maybe my tastes have just settled into something else, I dunno.
Lots of wrong assumptions leading to lowest common denominator thinking. There are high performance components of both tube and solid state types. The latter are rare, in my experience.
 
As long as you are not stomping on toes, that's fine. I happen to think my Quad balanced McIntosh amps are among the most transparent and silent I have ever heard. I would not call them "silly" by any stretch as they excel in every task I have put them to.

Paint with a brush and not spray paint eh?
 
That's probably it--your tastes have changed or rather, the sound you're after today isn't something that tubes will deliver for you.

And putting on my devil's advocate hat, you also haven't heard every tube system out there either. None of us can hear everything. We all go through situations like this. We swear off something (brands, tubes vs. silicon, MC vs. MM vs. MI, etc.), only to hear something a decade or two later that completely changes our minds. I think the magic lies more in the component and its execution, regardless of how it got there.
I'm not saying tubes can't sound great, they absolutely can. Some of the best systems I've heard have been tube based. But some of the best systems I've heard have also been ....solid state. In fact, most of the best top-dollar systems I've liked the best have been solid state. While a lot of my favorite 'sane' money systems have been tube-powered. It's not a zero sum game, and for my own enjoyment, I don't find tubes to be a necessary part of it. At the budget I'm working at, tubes have a degree of constraints that they add that diminish my overall enjoyment... usually related to power, and thus the types of speakers they force me into. Which either impact the sound, or what the whole system looks like in my place.

I don't tend to swear off anything, I just gravitate towards some things over time. Then I get bored, and wonder on back to something else. I'm -very- relaxed about all of this stuff these days. To the point where, when some people get all huffy and combative, I think its actually kind of funny. And a bit sad. But mostly funny.
 
I expressed my opinion, based upon decades of listening and experience. We can agree to disagree.
Certainly, but this community has been built around how we say things, not necessarily what we say. Stating your opinion the way you did is pushing hard against breaking rule number two.
 
I used to spend a lot of time on another forum dedicated to the "best" in audio. Unfortunately, that forum has totally devolved into factions and personal snipping. It's the reason that I'm not here.

What I've come to realize that there is no "best." Because we have our own ears and brains, listening it 100% subjective. I have a good audio friend that will visit the same rooms as I do at a show, or someone house, and describe the sound 100% as I would. But what he describes is why he doesn't like the system, and what he doesn't like is EXACTLY what I like.

Funny stuff.
 
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I used to spend a lot of time on another forum dedicated to the "best" in audio. Unfortunately, that forum has totally devolved into factions and personal snipping. It's the reason that I'm not here.

What I've come to realize that there is no "best." Because we have our own ears and brains, listening it 100% subjective. I have a good audio friend that will visit the same rooms as I do at a show, or someone house, and describe the sound 100% as I would. But what he describes is why he doesn't like the system, and what he doesn't like is EXACTLY what I like about it.

Funny stuff.
To get back to the subject at hand, what I love about analog/turntables is how personal it is, and how it can be tailored to yours or my personal taste in things. Not because there's a universal 'right' but because there's something that is right for me.

Most people at audio shows like systems that are far brighter than I care for. And they like carts that are far more self-consciously detailed and vibrant than I care for as well. I find that sometimes gets in the way of natural tone and timbre and it just takes me out of it. Though I wouldn't say the Dynavector here is in that camp.
 
So if I were to call the Scottie a lowest common denominator dog that would be crossing the line?

(Not that I would, just establishing our boundaries here.)
 
To get back to the subject at hand, what I love about analog/turntables is how personal it is, and how it can be tailored to yours or my personal taste in things. Not because there's a universal 'right' but because there's something that is right for me.

Most people at audio shows like systems that are far brighter than I care for. And they like carts that are far more self-consciously detailed and vibrant than I care for as well. I find that sometimes gets in the way of natural tone and timbre and it just takes me out of it. Though I wouldn't say the Dynavector here is in that camp.
Did you ever answer the question as to what variant XV-1 you have? I have heard the S and T on the same system. The S sounded like glorious music to me, the T sounded more audiophile and detailed.
 
Did you ever answer the question as to what variant XV-1 you have? I have heard the S and T on the same system. The S sounded like glorious music to me, the T sounded more audiophile and detailed.
I don't have one, that's the original poster (I have an XX2?...in need of a retip).
 
I don't tend to swear off anything, I just gravitate towards some things over time.
Absolutely. We're on the same page (or at least in the same chapter) on all this stuff, so, no worries there. I was only pointing out that none of us here have heard everything in our homes and, who knows? Maybe we're at our end game (I certainly am in most respects), or maybe we're still exploring...and that next "revelation" might be something we are totally unprepared for. I also don't have tunnel vision in that "my system is best system" either--many enjoyable hours (including a few at audio shows) have been spent in front of systems vastly different from my own that I also enjoy.

Keeping an open mind about all of this audiophile nonsense is key. There's no right or wrong in any of this. We buy what we like (and hopefully, like what we bought).
 
I would not call them "silly" by any stretch as they excel in every task I have put them to.
I was only saying "silly" in that 2,000 watts into a single speaker was...I don't know, pointless in this demo? This was not some huge model towering above me with very low sensitivity and several drivers to push. In fact, these particular speakers have their own powered bass section, so all the 2kW did was encourage the dealer (hosting the room and the manufacturer at AXPONA) to crank up the volume so loud at one point that, for the first time in my life, I complained to the exhibitor.

Same exact model down the hall were running on amplifiers that were probably 1/4 of 1/8 the rated power of the 2kW monoblocks, and actually sounded musical and listenable. And even at a level that was not loud but "up there" a bit, neither the amps or speakers were breaking a sweat.

I tend to chalk it up to the dealer being clueless (not knowing/caring about synergy). or doing it for the "showy" aspect of it. In other words, bring all the biggest and most expensive stuff to the show, regardless of whether or not it sounds good working together in a system.

On the other side of the suite was their second system, where I think the modern version of the MC275 (not up on my model #s, but it was the tubed model) was sitting there unused every time I visited the room. I bet if they put that on this other system, it would have sang!
 
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