Garrard 301- preferred rebuilder? Tonearm?

Did you email Bob at Bobland or call him? If you don't have his number, DM me and I can give it to you.

There is also a Panzerholz guy in NC that did the plinth for my ROK T-12 and he did N incredible job and it wasnt "crazy" expensive. If your intersted to talk to him, let me know and I can get you his number too.

Also, im going to upset the apple cart here, but if you get a Viv Labs 7in arm and run it outboard it makes the plinth build alot easier. Plus it sounds incredible with my rebuilt Denon 103 and my Rek O Kut T-12. The T-12 is also an idler and the 301 came along after it to compete for business in radio stations.
I used the contact form on his site. I think I did that once a while back for a speaker cabinet idea I had but also never heard back from him. Not sure if it is monitored? I'll send you a DM about both.

The outboard idea is pretty interesting. A more compact plinth is certainly more attractive. Though I have to admit, the black version 3010Rs available from Japan are interesting! As is the Karmadon 311 suggested to me by setup1 (JE Labs) on AK.
 
The Karmadon arms punch way above their weight class. Like Bokrands. And Serge is an awesome guy who just keeps doing it well despite all the difficulties in Ukraine. Highly recommended.

There is something about a unipivot with a single wire run from leads to RCAs that is so right for me. Oh, wait...

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How do you feel about the RS-309D? I've seen this pairing once or twice.
Very nice arm, built on old tried and true concepts, with exquisite construction, but at a price! It's telling the Bokrand uses bits of kit from the older versions of this arm, and the results are superb, at a lower cost....though struggles to deliver/meet demand. And i don't understand the prices of audio equipment any more. It isn't just tariffs. But it is pushing the less-than-1% into DIY. Just look at the thread on Lenco Heaven on DIYing a SupaTrak!

Yay! Off-topic!!
 
I haven't used it personally, but it seems Schick is making an arm with a curved tube like the Ortofon/Bokrans. as shown in this pic from Vienna. Didn't even notice it until after the show while looking at reports. Just mentioning FYI.

Pic from hifipig

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I have been mostly using Schick's 12"ers as a solid utility arm on my 301, but also have Karmadon and a couple old 3012s. Used an original series 3012 on a 301 for decades. The Schick is cleaner and more dynamic but I loved that old SME. I'd like to get mine restored if anyone has a source...I can't do that brand of microsurgery.

The Karmadon is pretty good with heavy low compliance carts. I liked mine with antique Shure M3Ds and Shure and Tonar DJ cartridges as a Reggae rig on a RoK T-12 I had for awhile. Got to give that one more attention...
 
I haven't used it personally, but it seems Schick is making an arm with a curved tube like the Ortofon/Bokrans. as shown in this pic from Vienna. Didn't even notice it until after the show while looking at reports. Just mentioning FYI.

Pic from hifipig

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I have been mostly using Schick's 12"ers as a solid utility arm on my 301, but also have Karmadon and a couple old 3012s. Used an original series 3012 on a 301 for decades. The Schick is cleaner and more dynamic but I loved that old SME. I'd like to get mine restored if anyone has a source...I can't do that brand of microsurgery.

The Karmadon is pretty good with heavy low compliance carts. I liked mine with antique Shure M3Ds and Shure and Tonar DJ cartridges as a Reggae rig on a RoK T-12 I had for awhile. Got to give that one more attention...
The best restorer of SME arms is Alfred Kayser at SME Tonearms in Minesing, Ontario, Canada. SME Tonearms, SME 3009 Turntable Parts Templates & Manuals

Alfred is a complete character, with amazing stories, and a collection of turntables and arms that is simply incredible. His work i stellar.
 
I haven't used it personally, but it seems Schick is making an arm with a curved tube like the Ortofon/Bokrans. as shown in this pic from Vienna. Didn't even notice it until after the show while looking at reports. Just mentioning FYI.
It’s funny you should mention that. I was on Artisan Fidelity’s site looking at some inspiration in their gallery and I saw they were retailing that arm. It’s about $2k just like the rest of them. Very intriguing, and I’ve seen no commentary of it elsewhere.

Looking more into the Ortofon arm I mentioned, it seems that was made by Jelco and Ortofon marked it way up. Figures.


Very nice arm, built on old tried and true concepts, with exquisite construction, but at a price! It's telling the Bokrand uses bits of kit from the older versions of this arm, and the results are superb, at a lower cost....though struggles to deliver/meet demand. And i don't understand the prices of audio equipment any more. It isn't just tariffs. But it is pushing the less-than-1% into DIY. Just look at the thread on Lenco Heaven on DIYing a SupaTrak!

Yay! Off-topic!!
While I get the old economies of scale bringing nice products to people at relatively decent prices, I think much pricing at the higher end today is “because I can”. And the disparity sometimes between the costs for different sizes of arms… it’s like when a gold watch costs 3x the steel one. We are just talking a gold case. Nonsense. Not to conflate these two worlds but it’s similar pricing strategies and often similar customers.
 
I think Thomas was homaging the EMT 927/912 series with that curve. I wish I had noticed at the show, I would have pressed him for more info.

The luxury goods market, which is what most export based high end audio business operates as, is a realm in which the high price is an essential part of the product-- independent of market mechanisms such as distributor chains, duty and taxes, etc. and ultimate functional quality of the item.

The exact same arm priced at $5k and $10k will see more desirability and possibly more sales for the 10k version. Weird but that how it is.

Often, the existence of the $10k unit will make the $5k unit more desirable by some kind of magnetic induction principle.

But I have seen it time and time again...the guy who wants to buy a $100k amp will not buy a $50k amp, Or he might buy both, use the $50k and have the $100k gathering dust in the corner, just to show he can afford it and prefers the $50k.

I've seen this dynamic among super rich Koreans I've encountered. One guy I know likes and uses the 301 but he has a couple EMT 927s and 930s and who knows what else dormant over in the corner to validate his preference for such a cheap TT!.

I smoke $3 cigars and drink beer. Don't have anything to prove.
 
I think Thomas was homaging the EMT 927/912 series with that curve. I wish I had noticed at the show, I would have pressed him for more info.
It surprisingly isn't even on his site. I'll send him an email and post what he says here.
The luxury goods market, which is what most export based high end audio business operates as, is a realm in which the high price is an essential part of the product-- independent of market mechanisms such as distributor chains, duty and taxes, etc. and ultimate functional quality of the item.

The exact same arm priced at $5k and $10k will see more desirability and possibly more sales for the 10k version. Weird but that how it is.
Indeed, a Veblen good. Just as there were people who willingly bought Stutz automobiles in the 70s because they were the most expensive at the time despite being dog doo. Or, more charitably: the existence of the Cadillac pushes people to buy the Buick for the perceived value. Yet in the case of tonearms, we are talking a few cents or dollars at most more material versus the unnecessary but nice differences between, say, an E-class and an S-class Mercedes, so it really is inexcusable.
I've seen this dynamic among super rich Koreans I've encountered. One guy I know likes and uses the 301 but he has a couple EMT 927s and 930s and who knows what else dormant over in the corner to validate his preference for such a cheap TT!.
I spent a good deal of time earlier in life in Japan, and I noticed hifi nonsense is one of the few ways salary men stuck in a tiny apartment can flex their cash. Same with esoteric denim and fancy shoes.
 
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I have been mostly using Schick's 12"ers as a solid utility arm on my 301, but also have Karmadon and a couple old 3012s. Used an original series 3012 on a 301 for decades. The Schick is cleaner and more dynamic but I loved that old SME. I'd like to get mine restored if anyone has a source...I can't do that brand of microsurgery.

If it's just the typical sagging counterweight, I can fix that for you. Replacement SME rubber tubing is available at AliEx for about $10/shipped.
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I was able to afford my RMG309 and SME 3012 in the 90s because they both had sagging CWs. So far my repair has held up well.

The Karmadon is pretty good with heavy low compliance carts. I liked mine with antique Shure M3Ds and Shure and Tonar DJ cartridges as a Reggae rig on a RoK T-12 I had for awhile. Got to give that one more attention...
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Serge's Ortofon-inspired Karmadon 311
 
@J-ROB, check with Serge about refurbing your tonearm if JE doesn't set it straight. That guy's a wizard! Serge, I mean. ...of course, JE's all right, too. :D
 
If it's just the typical sagging counterweight, I can fix that for you.

Whaaa...You been talking to Joyce?...oh, you mean the tonearm! 😝

I have fixed the counterweight rubber before. I'd like to get my first 3012 rewired and get rid of that funky SME connector. Sentimental value.

Then I realized, that I have another 3012 rebuilt by Luigi Andreoli with silver cables and such for the SPU he redid for me.

Veblen should attend my estate sale. I don't really need anything. I have way too many tonearms. Not as many as JE but he's a professional.
 
Whaaa...You been talking to Joyce?...oh, you mean the tonearm! 😝

I have fixed the counterweight rubber before. I'd like to get my first 3012 rewired and get rid of that funky SME connector. Sentimental value.

Then I realized, that I have another 3012 rebuilt by Luigi Andreoli with silver cables and such for the SPU he redid for me.

Veblen should attend my estate sale. I don't really need anything. I have way too many tonearms. Not as many as JE but he's a professional.
Wait, what... one can have too many tonearms? How is that possible?

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It surprisingly isn't even on his site. I'll send him an email and post what he says here.

Indeed, a Veblen good. Just as there were people who willingly bought Stutz automobiles in the 70s because they were the most expensive at the time despite being dog doo. Or, more charitably: the existence of the Cadillac pushes people to buy the Buick for the perceived value. Yet in the case of tonearms, we are talking a few cents or dollars at most more material versus the unnecessary but nice differences between, say, an E-class and an S-class Mercedes, so it really is inexcusable.

I spent a good deal of time earlier in life in Japan, and I noticed hifi nonsense is one of the few ways salary men stuck in a tiny apartment can flex their cash. Same with esoteric denim and fancy shoes.
"Esoteric denim."

Boy i feel lucky to have missed some wacky shit.
 
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