Gear you're running that you're not happy with.

JohnVF

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Ok so there are a few specifics to this. You have to be actively using it, and you have to be actively not thrilled with it. Which raises a few questions:

1. Why are you still running it?

2. What don't you like about it?

3. Will you keep running it or replace it?

I'm generally happy with everything I"m running EXCEPT for....(drum roll) my BlueSound Vault2. I used to like it, and when it works it doesn't sound bad when used with another DAC. It doesn't even sound bad with its own internal DAC, though its nothing to write home about. A while back the honeymoon was over. Too many headaches. Too many times that I sat down to listen to music, and either the BluOS app on my phone or ipad won't connect to it, or it's just otherwise frozen up for some reason, requiring a restart and hopefully nothing more. The last (maybe) straw was a few days ago when it asked for an update and I accidentally hit yes, at which point it shut down with its "how I'm doing" light turning red. The red light and Bluesound is the light of doom. See the Node thread. In this case, it meant it was searching for a way to, but not able to, upgrade itself. So after waiting 15 minutes I just unplugged it, and it came back to life. Until it wanted to update again, and turned itself red. At which point I unplugged it, and its bee fine for a day...despite still asking for the update. I will get around to feeding it the update it wants via USB after I download it myself, but I shouldn't have to do that. Also, BlueSound online support sucks, and they're readily dismissive of the idea that anything could be wrong with their products.

Also, its a pain in the ass to transfer files I've bought to it. They'll load to it, but 1/2 the time they're logged in some way that it can't find them. I bought a friends new album and it won't load the artwork. Maybe its my fault, as I'm not good with tags and metadata but the reason you buy something like this is because you're not good with such things.


Will I keep running it? No, eventually I'll replace it with something. I'm looking at a few options like Lumin. I don't want a home computer involved in my setup. So another standalone streamer of some sort.

Oh, and I'm still running it because it has all of my CDs loaded onto it, and that took about a year. They're all backed up but I haven't gone through figuring out how to transfer that data to something else, though supposedly you can.

So maybe I just wanted to vent. But I'm genuinely interested in what you're running that, like me, you've learned to hate but live with.
 

mhardy6647

Señor Member
Maybe its my fault, as I'm not good with tags and metadata but the reason you buy something like this is because you're not good with such things.
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Exactly so! ... and that's the stuff that drives me crazy (too?).
It's not your fault when stuff is hard to use, or if it's just plain obstreperous!
Not a very long drive in my case, of course, but, still... wanted to show some empathy. :o

I'm not sure that there's anything I use regularly that I am actively unhappy with... but, as a wino* fellow passenger* once said to me on a bus on the way to (or maybe from... it's been a couple-three decades now):
The largest room in the world is the room for improvement.

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* In his cups or not -- he was a pretty sage fellow traveler.
 

JohnVF

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[emphasis added]

Exactly so! ... and that's the stuff that drives me crazy (too?).
It's not your fault when stuff is hard to use, or if it's just plain obstreperous!
Not a very long drive in my case, of course, but, still... wanted to show some empathy. :o

I'm not sure that there's anything I use regularly that I am actively unhappy with... but, as a wino* fellow passenger* once said to me on a bus on the way to (or maybe from... it's been a couple-three decades now):


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* In his cups or not -- he was a pretty sage fellow traveler.
In the realm of the world's problems, mine is minor. But I hate trying to fix network device problems at 6am like I was doing this morning. A man's stereo is meant to calm and relax or otherwise bring him joy....

The positive side of this thread is that I'm really happy with absolutely everything else I'm running.
 

Redboy

Knobophobe
In the realm of the world's problems, mine is minor. But I hate trying to fix network device problems at 6am like I was doing this morning. A man's stereo is meant to calm and relax or otherwise bring him joy....
This is exactly the reason I've waffled so long on the streaming thing. Streaming... it sounds like it should be so easy but in spite of being a sorta smart guy, I kinda suck at computering!

Okay, my turn. My least favorite piece of gear in my system today is a very nice Ray Samuels XR-2 phonostage. Yes, it sounds good and it does its job very well without complaining, but it has no soul... I didn't build it and it doesn't have any tubes, so I just can't get excited about it. It's a very shallow complaint, I know, and I've tried to swallow it but it sticks like a gob of dry peanut butter...

Eventually I will replace it when I build a tube phonostage. I've been saying that for a few years, now.
 

JohnVF

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but it has no soul...
I think that's a very legitimate complaint. My current turntable, a Mitsuibshi LT-30 linear tracker that had been my wife's while we lived apart, has that problem. It's very complex and has authentic vinyl 'veneer' despite being once upon a time a very expensive product. It sounds excellent in that DD linear tracking kind of way. Which is to say, it has no soul. I get it. Especially in the context of one of your systems, I can see something sticking out loudly for being something that just arrived to be plugged in and make music. It's not 'you'.
 

prime minister

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How about a Rega RP10? I'm so not happy with it that I'm not even running it. Yes, I've got a turntable with a new MSRP of $7k, $6k for you yankees, and it sits unused. With the Grado on it, it sounds lovely (that's about a $2k plus Grado from the current lineup), and it just leaves me feeling meh. It sounds lovely, but I don't know that its what I want.
 

JohnVF

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How about a Rega RP10? I'm so not happy with it that I'm not even running it. Yes, I've got a turntable with a new MSRP of $7k, $6k for you yankees, and it sits unused. With the Grado on it, it sounds lovely (that's about a $2k plus Grado from the current lineup), and it just leaves me feeling meh. It sounds lovely, but I don't know that its what I want.
I was thinking you might put that on the list. Though if I didn't have so many expenses hanging out there including a condo downpayment, I'd try to buy it from you.
 

prime minister

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I was thinking you might put that on the list. Though if I didn't have so many expenses hanging out there including a condo downpayment, I'd try to buy it from you.
I've been thinking of ways to try to make it stay and put it back into rotation. I haven't spun a record in ages. And my attempt at replacing it with something vintage has gone as well as these things always do.

Its actually embarrassing. A dream table for many folks. a modern destination turntable. And here it sits unused and unloved.
 

JohnVF

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I've been thinking of ways to try to make it stay and put it back into rotation. I haven't spun a record in ages. And my attempt at replacing it with something vintage has gone as well as these things always do.

Its actually embarrassing. A dream table for many folks. a modern destination turntable. And here it sits unused and unloved.
I've gone through months on end where I was just tired of playing records and solely did the digital thing, but it swung back. Though some of that seemed to be related to whatever turntable I was running at the time. I think the last time that happened was with that Yamaha YP-D8, a perfectly good turntable that just lacked something. As Redboy said in another thread, some gear just lacks soul.
 

adaug

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I've been thinking of ways to try to make it stay and put it back into rotation. I haven't spun a record in ages. And my attempt at replacing it with something vintage has gone as well as these things always do.

Its actually embarrassing. A dream table for many folks. a modern destination turntable. And here it sits unused and unloved.
consider trying another cart. on it. yes it would be expensive - but cheaper perhaps than getting a new table and cart.. i have an RP8 with a rega apheta mc cart and its fantastic. ive never been excited about grados either.
 

prime minister

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consider trying another cart. on it. yes it would be expensive - but cheaper perhaps than getting a new table and cart.. i have an RP8 with a rega apheta mc cart and its fantastic. ive never been excited about grados either.
The Grado is an all time favourite cartridge of mine, plus it gels beautifully with my phono preamp. I've heard it in some truly incredible systems, and it has always held its own. The sound of the combo isn't the issue. I just found the Rega joyless to use.
 
Ok so there are a few specifics to this. You have to be actively using it, and you have to be actively not thrilled with it. Which raises a few questions:

1. Why are you still running it?

2. What don't you like about it?

3. Will you keep running it or replace it?

I'm generally happy with everything I"m running EXCEPT for....(drum roll) my BlueSound Vault2. I used to like it, and when it works it doesn't sound bad when used with another DAC. It doesn't even sound bad with its own internal DAC, though its nothing to write home about. A while back the honeymoon was over. Too many headaches. Too many times that I sat down to listen to music, and either the BluOS app on my phone or ipad won't connect to it, or it's just otherwise frozen up for some reason, requiring a restart and hopefully nothing more. The last (maybe) straw was a few days ago when it asked for an update and I accidentally hit yes, at which point it shut down with its "how I'm doing" light turning red. The red light and Bluesound is the light of doom. See the Node thread. In this case, it meant it was searching for a way to, but not able to, upgrade itself. So after waiting 15 minutes I just unplugged it, and it came back to life. Until it wanted to update again, and turned itself red. At which point I unplugged it, and its bee fine for a day...despite still asking for the update. I will get around to feeding it the update it wants via USB after I download it myself, but I shouldn't have to do that. Also, BlueSound online support sucks, and they're readily dismissive of the idea that anything could be wrong with their products.

Also, its a pain in the ass to transfer files I've bought to it. They'll load to it, but 1/2 the time they're logged in some way that it can't find them. I bought a friends new album and it won't load the artwork. Maybe its my fault, as I'm not good with tags and metadata but the reason you buy something like this is because you're not good with such things.


Will I keep running it? No, eventually I'll replace it with something. I'm looking at a few options like Lumin. I don't want a home computer involved in my setup. So another standalone streamer of some sort.

Oh, and I'm still running it because it has all of my CDs loaded onto it, and that took about a year. They're all backed up but I haven't gone through figuring out how to transfer that data to something else, though supposedly you can.

So maybe I just wanted to vent. But I'm genuinely interested in what you're running that, like me, you've learned to hate but live with.

BlueSound doesn't interest me, but I haven't heard too many issues with software with those I know who do use them. Usually when the symptoms you describe present themself, it is a network issue and not a 'unit' issue. Are you running ethernet or wifi?

As for an upgrade down the line, consider the Innuos ZENmini, but wait until InnuOS actually releases. If all CD's are already ripped, then maybe a Volumio Primo or Cambridge CXN could be an option. The ZENmini has a CD slot and automatically rips the album to the internal hard drive.

This is exactly the reason I've waffled so long on the streaming thing. Streaming... it sounds like it should be so easy but in spite of being a sorta smart guy, I kinda suck at computering!

Okay, my turn. My least favorite piece of gear in my system today is a very nice Ray Samuels XR-2 phonostage. Yes, it sounds good and it does its job very well without complaining, but it has no soul... I didn't build it and it doesn't have any tubes, so I just can't get excited about it. It's a very shallow complaint, I know, and I've tried to swallow it but it sticks like a gob of dry peanut butter...

Eventually I will replace it when I build a tube phonostage. I've been saying that for a few years, now.

Streaming is all about getting the network right. So many guys think you can throw a streamer on mediocre network and stream music. The thought is if the network can handle netflix, it can handle streaming music. This isn't always the case though. This situation is why AURALiC no longer makes a three figure streamer and has no intention of ever doing so again. The amount of support they had to provide for a product they made next to nothing on was too much to handle. I've dealt with a few clients like this myself and it can be frustrating and time consuming when you tell them the solution they don't want to hear.


I think recently I fixed most of the issues with my system. Nothing sounded bad, but after you sell off your primo demo items and don't replace them, you find yourself wanting. I recently ordered a new Norma DS-1 CD Player to replace the internal DAC's of the ZENmini and Primo and it was a massive shot to the system. I then made a cable change and now the system is so good its literally raising my adrenaline when I listen.

While the system is singing again, I have lived with frustration for the past year or so until today.
 

fiddlefye

Senior Member
I've been avoiding the whole streaming thing simply because it looks like more work getting and keeping it running than it would be worth to me. I do listen to a few FLAC online radio stations, mind you, but they're no bother at all.

The only pieces I'm less than thrilled with are what constitutes CD reproduction in the main system. The combination of Denon DCD-1520 as transport and Channel Island DAC sound really quite good, but somehow not as involving as the old modded DCD-3300 in the loft system. I'd like a real dedicated transport (still hoping to pull off the Sonic Frontiers in The Emporium), see how the DAC sounds with that and if necessary start looking at alternatives in that area as well. Oh, that and I really need some audio shelving, but I'm afraid that given what needs to go on them including my very oversized turntable it will be a build rather than a buy.

In truth I spend way more time listening to my desktop system (Luxman 5L 15/Infinity Infintesimal) than the rest combined. Lazy, my butt parked in front of the computer and the combination actually sounds quick wonderful.
 
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Thermionics

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I've been avoiding the whole streaming thing simply because it looks like more work getting and keeping it running than it would be worth to me. I do listen to a few FLAC online radio stations, mind you, but they're no both at all.

The only pieces I'm less than thrilled with are what constitutes CD reproduction in the main system. The combination of Denon DCD-1520 as transport and Channel Island DAC sound really quite good, but somehow not as involving as the old modded DCD-3300 in the loft system. I'd like a real dedicated transport (still hoping to pull off the Sonic Frontiers in The Emporium), see how the DAC sounds with that and if necessary start looking at alternatives in that area as well. Oh, that and I really need some audio shelving, but I'm afraid that given what needs to go on them including my very oversized turntable it will be a build rather than a buy.

In truth I spend way more time listening to my desktop system (Luxman 5L 15/Infinity Infintesimal) than the rest combined. Lazy, my butt parked in front of the computer and the combination actually sounds quick wonderful.
Maybe try and find yourself an old Philips R2R CD player (Philips / Magnavox / Marantz) just to get back to the basic simplicity of original Redbook CD playback and use that to recalibrate what makes you happy? That's what I did and what do you know, it turns out I actually like original Redbook CD playback.
 

Thermionics

Post Whore In Training
Okay, my turn. My least favorite piece of gear in my system today is a very nice Ray Samuels XR-2 phonostage. Yes, it sounds good and it does its job very well without complaining, but it has no soul... I didn't build it and it doesn't have any tubes, so I just can't get excited about it. It's a very shallow complaint, I know, and I've tried to swallow it but it sticks like a gob of dry peanut butter...
Well, there's your problem. You should have gotten the Ray Charles phonostage if you wanted soul.
 

Thermionics

Post Whore In Training
My trivial dissatisfaction is that the Technics SP15 in my basement system is not an SP10 Mk2, but that's on my ability and/or willingness to lay out the cash.

Actually, if I were to spring for an SP10 Mk2, it would probably put my Nottingham Analogue up for sale. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the Notts - it's a fabulous turntable - it's just that I really like the ease of use of the SP15 (no belts to move, push-button start/stop, 78RPM at the touch of a button, torque for days), but know the SP15 isn't quite good enough for the main system. While I'm willing to DIY a lot of stuff, when it comes to music playback, I've discovered reduced hassle helps me relax and enjoy playback more.
 

MrEd

Senior Nobody
Pet peeve of my system is Volumio and my pi.
A constant trail of lock ups and re boots . Have down loaded updates and tried a new sd card but it just sucks. I have cleared the junk off my tablet Manny time to no avail, but everything else I use this tablet for seems fine.
I am somewhat inept with computers failed at getting Moode to work and subscribed to Voluimo so I could have Quobus.
 
Pet peeve of my system is Volumio and my pi.
A constant trail of lock ups and re boots . Have down loaded updates and tried a new sd card but it just sucks. I have cleared the junk off my tablet Manny time to no avail, but everything else I use this tablet for seems fine.
I am somewhat inept with computers failed at getting Moode to work and subscribed to Voluimo so I could have Quobus.
Have you reached out to them for support? They are very responsive and there is a community on the website that may be able to assist as well. I have not had any issues other than occasionally relogging into tidal which has happened on every software I’ve tried.
 

MikeyFresh

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Pet peeve of my system is Volumio and my pi.
A constant trail of lock ups and re boots . Have down loaded updates and tried a new sd card but it just sucks. I have cleared the junk off my tablet Manny time to no avail, but everything else I use this tablet for seems fine.
I am somewhat inept with computers failed at getting Moode to work and subscribed to Voluimo so I could have Quobus.
Android or iOS tablet?

RPi 3B+, or 4B?

Ethernet or WiFi?
 
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