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MikeyFresh

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I can say that streaming Quobus has reduced stylus wear dramatically 😁
Well thats a plus, lets see if it can be reduced still further by ditching MyVolumio.

Moode also works well, we have a bunch of members here using it, completely stable with every version I've used going way back now, I think to 2016.

If Volumio continues to disappoint we should revisit Moode, however my quick setup and deployment of a Volumio instance last night suggests that is definitely not the case, Volumio works just fine. The reason I started from scratch with a new instance last night was to download and use what is current, and on the 4B hardware, as my other two existing instances of Volumio are running on the 3B+, and a Pi Zero W, so to eliminate any possibilities presented by that variable, I flashed a new card and set it up on a 4B.
 
Well thats a plus, lets see if it can be reduced still further by ditching MyVolumio.

Moode also works well, we have a bunch of members here using it, completely stable with every version I've used going way back now, I think to 2016.

If Volumio continues to disappoint we should revisit Moode, however my quick setup and deployment of a Volumio instance last night suggests that is definitely not the case, Volumio works just fine. The reason I started from scratch with a new instance last night was to download and use what is current, and on the 4B hardware, as my other two existing instances of Volumio are running on the 3B+, and a Pi Zero W, so to eliminate any possibilities presented by that variable, I flashed a new card and set it up on a 4B.
I am going to get a couple new sd cards and try reloading Voluimo first.
I have great card with moode on it but I was unsucsefull at getting it do anything but internet radio.
I also want to try LMS and the one of squeeze programs.
 

MikeyFresh

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I am going to get a couple new sd cards and try reloading Voluimo first.
I have great card with moode on it but I was unsucsefull at getting it do anything but internet radio.
I also want to try LMS and the one of squeeze programs.
This is because the dependency they were using to have Moode access Qobuz directly (upmpdcli) had their access shutdown, and same for TIDAL. So even though there was still a setup screen in Moode's MPD config for both TIDAL and Qobuz, it no longer worked. That has been deprecated with Moode 7.2.0, that step screen has now been been removed as it doesn't appear the cloud streaming services are going to issue free API tokens anymore.

So the cloud music services decided that no open source software such as upmpdcli would have free direct access. This latest update of Moode to 7.2.0 actually removed those setup screens, they no longer exist as the developer of upmpdci said he is not confident they will ever relent. Please note that upmpdcli still underpins many other aspects of Moode, it did not go away, simply that the Qobuz and TIDAL direct access aspect was unfortunately officially deprecated.

So if you were trying to get Moode to work with Qobuz on a direct access basis, that went some months ago never to return, it stopped working and has now been removed entirely. I know when that happened I told you about it, and that was why I said you needed to then use a 3rd party app to access Qobuz, but maybe I didn't make it entirely clear. I didn't want you to pay for MyVolumio, not because I had reason to think it didn't work right, just because it is WAY more expensive than dropping $4.39 on BubbleUPnP, or $5.99 on mconnect HD.

Those are small one-time app purchases, and though they are not promising you that spend will always grant you access to Qobuz and TIDAL in perpetuity, they are saying it works right now and I can confirm it, thats the primary way I access Qobuz, along with Audirvana on my Mac.

So the takeaway is you can absolutely direct either Qobuz or TIDAL streams to a Moode or Volumio endpoint using either the BubbleUPnP or mconnect HD Android apps, and those are of course not free, in part because they have to pay Qobuz and TIDAL for tat integration and access. But the good news is they they are FAR cheaper than MyVolumio, and they do actually freakin' work.
 
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MikeyFresh

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I am going to get a couple new sd cards and try reloading Voluimo first.
When you do, don't even sign-in to MyVolumio. Seriously, don't bother because if it shits the bed again you are just going to get angry and frustrated and decide all over again that this is not worth the time and effort.

Do a clean install, skip any/all sign-in to MyVolumio, and use the BubbleUPnP Android app to sign-in to Qobuz, it's quick and easy and you'll be up and running in 10 minutes just like I was last night.

You can even just skip the clean install and take your existing instance of Volumio, fire it up and sign out of MyVolumio. Make sure the Volumio Android app is also then killed (remember no dueling control points, only one app running the show at a time) and then dial up Qobuz on BubbleUPnP.

It will work, right now, I highly doubt you've managed to corrupt the existing Volumio install. You should be able to sign out right in the Volumio app, or even by bringing up the Volumio interface in a web browser using the assigned IP address.
 

MikeyFresh

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I also want to try LMS and the one of squeeze programs.
While you can certainly do that, I would leave that as an entirely separate project for a different day. First get your Volumio and/or Moode instance running right, there is no reason to think it isn't going to work, or that you will have to resort to an entirely different software and platform.

It did take me a little while to get LMS and Squeezelite setup and running, that's not just a 10 minute thing like I'm describing here with DLNA/UPnP, in fact lets call it 5 minutes if you do fire up your existing Volumio instance (or Moode if you have that siting on a card) and just download the BubbleUPnP app and enter your Qobuz credentials into it.
 
While you can certainly do that, I would leave that as an entirely separate project for a different day. First get your Volumio and/or Moode instance running right, there is no reason to think it isn't going to work, or that you will have to resort to an entirely different software and platform.

It did take me a little while to get LMS and Squeezelite setup and running, that's not just a 10 minute thing like I'm describing here with DLNA/UPnP, in fact lets call it 5 minutes if you do fire up your existing Volumio instance (or Moode if you have that siting on a card) and just download the BubbleUPnP app and enter your Qobuz credentials into it.
I guess the bubbleupnp is where I got confused. I have it on my tablet using Voluimo, but with moode don't I need to link through my pc?
 

MikeyFresh

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I guess the bubbleupnp is where I got confused. I have it on my tablet using Voluimo, but with moode don't I need to link through my pc?
No, but I'm not really understanding the question. Moode is essentially the exact same kind of software as Volumio is, both can be accessed by a web browser for the settings, however Moode elects not to have their own control point app, so you'd be using Bubble to direct the music to a Moode endpoint.

Volumio on the other hand does have their own app, but it isn't a requirement to use it, you can use the exact same control point apps with Volumio as you can with Moode. Both Moode and Volumio just need to be setup as UPnP Renderers, that all. You could have both on the same network, in two different rooms, and use the same control point app to access them, just switch which one is the active play-to endpoint using the "Devices" icon at the bottom right of the app's UI.

So right now if I tap Devices in the BubbleUPnP app, I see this:

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Under Renderers the EmeraldPi is the Volumio instance I setup last night. The one called Argon1 is a Moode instance located in my living room. I can select either one with that same control point app.

The Local and Cloud is where I'd find both my local library server (JRiver Id Pi), and the Qobuz cloud service as the sources available to play from:

Local and Cloud.jpeg

But now we're way off-topic for what gear we're unhappy with!
 

Wntrmute2

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My Terminator T-3 tonearm was somewhat of a love-hate relationship for a very long time. I even had HW build me a gimballed, 3D printed tonearm long before they were popular to replace it years ago. But over the "Lockdown" I reinstalled it and have it nicely dialed in. I really wanted something as different from my Thornes TD-124 with a Schick pivoted tonearm as I could and this was it.
Mounted on a VPT TNT MK-6.
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Audionut

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For me it’s my Schiit Freya, it’s not a bad pre, just not a good match for my Altecs and more obvious now with added subs....I’ve put up with it long enough, so will be buying a new pre soon.
Digital media is another story.......
 

airdronian

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I'm not against the Raspberry Pi and have no assumptions about its sound quality- I really just kind of want something that looks like a component, and is just plug and play.
Not trying to sell you on the Pi, but I felt the same way when trying to move to a server -> endpoint kind of config. The endpoint has to sit in the rack and not look like a science experiment.

Very happy with the addition of the Argon One case. Not cheap but not the most expensive either.

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JohnVF

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👍👍 As for gluing a system together, I think Roon has most everyone beat since it splits up the functions of server, renderer and control point, vs. the outdated notion of attaching a full-blown computer to a DAC, or dealing with the shortcomings of DLNA. I have a small Intel NUC computer that sits anywhere on the network I want it to, and runs Roon Core (plus other network chores). Music is stored separately on a NAS. I use a built-in bridge in the DAC for now, but probably will get a similar Rendu player/streamer within the next year or so.

There really isn't anything more "plug and play" than installing it and setting it up (point it to your storage, tweak a few settings, find your renderers, and it's done). I turn it on, and it just works. I don't like some of the streaming chains I've seen elsewhere--three or four little black boxes all strung together, sitting on a shelf like a pile of junk. Too much dicking around. No full-blown computer attached to the DAC either--same reason, on top of all the electrical "noise" via USB, and having to boot it up each time to play music. I just want to turn on the system, sit down, search for an album on my cheap tablet (control point), and have music start playing. And my setup right now does exactly that.

Having said that, maybe the perfect streaming setup hasn't been invented yet, but someone who could combine all the best points of each one could have a real winner.
I like that except for the computer sitting somewhere on the network. I don’t really have a place for that right now, things are very cramped until we find a new place. I need something self contained unfortunately- and do like the idea of it being self contained. That’s what drew me to the vault.
 

airdronian

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Headless Mac Mini or Nuc could easily run core and end point. Set it to auto power-on and login, and access it with remote desktop if you have to.
I just replaced an aging Mac Mini. Didn't want to spend on another Mac Mini, and just kept it on the cheaper side with a refurb that will also work well with Linux in case I want to dive in that end of the pool. I like the small form factor the Mini provided, and stayed in a similar size.

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In keeping with the topic I wasn't happy with the digital side after the recent changes of rack positioning etc. Wanted to move to the server -> endpoint configuration to remove computer noise from the room. I did run into nine kinds of grief (@MikeyFresh knows ALL about that) but once the fault was established I now have a reliable system again.
 

MikeyFresh

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I like that except for the computer sitting somewhere on the network. I don’t really have a place for that right now, things are very cramped until we find a new place. I need something self contained unfortunately- and do like the idea of it being self contained. That’s what drew me to the vault.
There is a newer version of that case that supports an onboard m.2 SSD. You'd still need to bring your own USB DAC however, and large capacity m.2 SSDs ain't cheap.

Assuming you've got the space for a USB DAC, the only question is setting up the RPi 4B to access that onboard m.2 SSD, I've not done that but it can't be too difficult.

Software distros for that would likely be piCorePlayer (acting as both local server and endpoint player), or JRiver Id Pi (also both both local server and endpoint player). I think both Moode and Volumio are suboptimal for simultaneous server/endpoint player duty.

The other option is to have two RPi 4B units, one is the server, the other is the player/endpoint. Since they fit in the palm of your hand, I wouldn't think that's too much space taken and especially since the server can run headless after configuration, no monitor, keyboard or mouse, just a power and either Ethernet or USB WiFi dongle in whatever location is most convenient.

If the USB DAC is a total no go, your choices narrow considerably and you're looking at what @AudioThesis mentioned with the Volumio Primo, or Innuos ZEN Mini Mk.3, or perhaps a Cambridge Audio CXN v2.

A poor man's version of that could lie in the new Allo Boss2 Player, which is getting rave reviews but as yet not in stock in the U.S. except for a first run with case work that was improperly machined, but not being offered at a discount as best I can tell. Any color you like so long as blue and silver tickle your fancy, or save a few bucks with the shitty plastic case version.

With so many tracks available on Qobuz, is it a necessity to get both a streamer/player and a local server library sorted all at once and in just one unit? I'd probably split that job and roll with the streamer/player right now accessing Qobuz only until such time as the living quarters is clarified and you know a bit more about the potential for available space.
 

MikeyFresh

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I just replaced an aging Mac Mini. Didn't want to spend on another Mac Mini, and just kept it on the cheaper side with a refurb that will also work well with Linux in case I want to dive in that end of the pool. I like the small form factor the Mini provided, and stayed in a similar size.

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In keeping with the topic I wasn't happy with the digital side after the recent changes of rack positioning etc. Wanted to move to the server -> endpoint configuration to remove computer noise from the room. I did run into nine kinds of grief (@MikeyFresh knows ALL about that) but once the fault was established I now have a reliable system again.
Glad to hear things are hanging in there, so Audirvana on Windows for the server side has been stable on that cool little EliteDesk?
 

airdronian

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Glad to hear things are hanging in there, so Audirvana on Windows for the server side has been stable on that cool little EliteDesk?
It has been so far. Got it going Monday, no hiccups. If it lasts half as long as the Mac Mini, that's a win.

Edit: no need to add the BubbleUPnP Server service either.
 
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Shelby1420

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My listening chair!!! Been through about 4 of them and none have lasted, still on the hunt for the perfect perch. As for the system, kinda of odd really as I have a some new, some old, some DIY and some not, it all just works!!!! Another oddity is I’ve had single pieces before worth more than my entire system and they’re all gone, good synergy now I guess!!!
 
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