Hunting For The Second Best Turntable In The World

Prime Minister

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He’s certainly talked about it, how it’s the one DD motor he’s a real fan of. It has a somewhat unique motor. Lower torque “AC drag cup” or some such. No quartz lock or that kind of thing. It really is a nice sounding motor unit. I just don’t think it’s necessarily better than other, later, DD units and my own ears preferred Sony’s later TTS-8000, among others.
Your ears must be wrong. The internet is right!
 

Prime Minister

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Linn LP-12? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

I should clarify that I've nothing against the Linn except their schtick that the LP-12 is "the best". Hence my suggestion...
I actually really like the LP12. But.....

It just seems there is so much to the LP12 ownership experience. Most of which I can’t be bothered with.
 

je2a3

Senior Member
He’s certainly talked about it, how it’s the one DD motor he’s a real fan of. It has a somewhat unique motor. Lower torque “AC drag cup” or some such. No quartz lock or that kind of thing. It really is a nice sounding motor unit. I just don’t think it’s necessarily better than other, later, DD units and my own ears preferred Sony’s later TTS-8000, among others.
Is the TTS-8000 an AC motor also like @fiddlefye 's DP80?
 

mhardy6647

Señor Member
Are you talking about the TTS-2500 drive that's in the PS-2250 and 2251? It's hyped by that maker-of-the-ugliest-plinth-you've-ever-seen guy who really built up the Lenco craze?

I had a 2251, which uses the AC TTS-2500 drive unit, which I'd used with an FR-24mkII, Grace 704, and Tokyo Sound ST-15 tonearms (as well as the stock arm). It was a good motor that I'd contemplated putting in a different plinth, though I alway felt it was a bit of both-worlds. Lower torque like a belt drive, but a direct drive. Had a smooth character to it, very pleasant if not exciting. The piano-key on/off/speed buttons were the best part...loved those!
well... umm... yeah. I can't afford any of the fancy ones... and the 2251 here kinda found me (courtesy of a local guru).
 
Perhaps a Pioneer PL-70 (PL-70L, PL-70LII)? I’ve always really liked the look of those. What is the consensus on how those compare to, say, a Yamaha GT-2000 or a Kenwood KP-9010?
 
That must have been about 5-6 years ago, so the details have faded... but I remember being quite impressed, and perceived it to be quieter than my Sony PS-x700 which in theory has ever so slightly better specs, but in practice, seems to have more rumble.

I will say that the automated biotracer arm is much appreciated by other members of the family.




Now... and I am just sayin' this, mind you*... I know a guy. This guy, in general, is a bit disdainful of most DD tts. But the motors in those early Sony "TTS" DD tts... those he says... are something special. They (he says) do not cog. More to the point... he says... you can hear the difference (in output quality) between one of those Sonys... and... umm... most of the usual Japanese DD tt suspects (i.e., be it the lack of cogging or unicorn dust or whatever...).

All I can say is the one I have sounds awfully good -- and my hifi colleague (and member here, for reference sake) @forkliftman15 (who set the one up that I have for me) opined "I guess that's what they call a black background" when we fired it up (some time ago, now).

I listened to Side Two of Abbey Road** on it last night, and it did sound good (and it wasn't even a high-zoot pressing thereof... I just pulled out the orange "Capitol" label pressing I bought in the late 1970s 'cause it was handy and I knew it was in good condition).

As an aside, there are a lot of copies of Abbey Road here -- for which there is no logical explanation. :)

I guess this doesn't help much, does it?
Oh, well... I enjoy practicing my typing, and using italics. :smoke

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On the "plus" side, I heard this guy say this out loud... as opposed to reading it on the internet.
** Which, at this late date, I think just might be my single favorite pop/rock album side, full stop.
*** Oh, and ellipses (or is that ellipsises?)... I like to get practice using those, too...
 

airdronian

Junior Member
There was a brief listing for an SL-1200 Mk II locally... missing dustcover, seemingly damaged power switch, looked like the tonearm tube had been torn clean off. The ask was ...... $700. Ah, Kijiji.
 
Perhaps a Pioneer PL-70 (PL-70L, PL-70LII)? I’ve always really liked the look of those. What is the consensus on how those compare to, say, a Yamaha GT-2000 or a Kenwood KP-9010?
Pio PL 70/2 is a stable rotor motor table, pretty much all of the chops of the Ex P/10. It is an incredibly worthy table. A few did manage to make it to the N. American market, but mostly are sold from Japan, 100V.
 
That must have been about 5-6 years ago, so the details have faded... but I remember being quite impressed, and perceived it to be quieter than my Sony PS-x700 which in theory has ever so slightly better specs, but in practice, seems to have more rumble.

I will say that the automated biotracer arm is much appreciated by other members of the family.
I have a PS-X600 in pretty much mint condition, it is a beautiful table in person. Unfortunately, there is some gremlin (I believe in the arm servo circuit) that causes a very high pitched whine to come through the RCA cables once the mute circuit shuts off. This makes it impossible to use, as it can be heard through the music. Hopefully one day I’ll get it fixed. The Sony servo tonearms are, unfortunately, notorious for issues like that now that they’re around 40 years old.
 
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