I feel duty-bound to mention that KEF LS50s are still on sale @ MD

TubeHiFiNut

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mhardy6647

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The Klipsch probably sound better with the SE amps we prefer. ;) ;) :boogie
I might even have to pull out the MC-2100 for a pair of LS50s ;)

In seriousness (well, at least closer to seriousness):
Having made the completely pointless purchase of a pair of the ELAC Debut 2.0 6.2 or whatever they're called at half price a week ago... I don't think I can justify spending even more on speakers I need even less :)
 

mhardy6647

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They look really nice in person, but that's just like, my opinion, man.
Full disclosure -- I have neither seen them in the flesh nor heard them.
I've also never read a single bad thing about them, so I have to believe they're the real deal.
And I certainly own - and enjoy - pieces of equipment of far more questionable aesthetic merit :cool:
 

JohnVF

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They are in fact the real deal. But they had a fault I couldn't get past: they really need a ton of power and overall very clean (um, expensive) amplification to sound their best. And I used them in a second system where I more wanted to play with my tube amps and/or lower powered or vintage solid state things. I found them to be really well built, the fit and finish were very impressive. The only other speakers I have had with a gloss black finish were NHTs and the Kefs put those to shame (physically and sonically).
 
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Full disclosure -- I have neither seen them in the flesh nor heard them.
I've also never read a single bad thing about them, so I have to believe they're the real deal.
And I certainly own - and enjoy - pieces of equipment of far more questionable aesthetic merit :cool:
They are quite good for that type of speaker.

Amp to drive them? Power and current are good. ;)

All the notes are there. A bit "clinical" for my taste.

In the end, I kept the LS3/5a - not because the LS3/5a are better speakers but because they are better at connecting me emotionally with the music.

Besides which, I already have one set of stand mount speakers (the B&W CDM1) that are a pain in the ass with regard to amplification. ;)
 

JohnVF

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Yeah they wanted the huge power of solid state but the finesse of tubes. Really difficult to achieve under a certain budget. They'd have liked my VAC amp.
 

Prime Minister

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Full disclosure -- I have neither seen them in the flesh nor heard them.
I've also never read a single bad thing about them, so I have to believe they're the real deal.
And I certainly own - and enjoy - pieces of equipment of far more questionable aesthetic merit :cool:
I can write some bad words about them. In my experience, they were somewhat underwhelming.
 

ICTWoody

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Yeah they wanted the huge power of solid state but the finesse of tubes. Really difficult to achieve under a certain budget. They'd have liked my VAC amp.
I've been tempted a few times to try them in my main rig with my Modwright gear for that same reason. I feel like that IS my sound. When I owned them before I used them with the Rega Brio-R for a moment, but then with my JobSys 225 amp and matching Job Pre2. I felt like that combo was very good, but I just wanted a little more deep bass.

They are really quite impressive though... and especially for a grand brand new.

I can write some bad words about them. In my experience, they were somewhat underwhelming.
See... I didn't expect much and was really impressed. Underwhelming isn't a word I would use to describe them unless your expectations were just sky high. I think they are very good.

- Woody
 

JohnVF

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See... I didn't expect much and was really impressed. Underwhelming isn't a word I would use to describe them unless your expectations were just sky high. I think they are very good.

- Woody
I bought them immediately upon hearing them. They were running off of a very nice Cary preamp driving Rogue Audio mono blocks. I sat there in the store for a long time, listening to Nina Simone, glued to the couch they had there. They were fantastic in that context... I just never replicated it at home as the amplification I had at the time was very different. Fed the right power in a room they like and I think they're great.
 

mhardy6647

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Sez JA:
My estimate of the KEF's voltage sensitivity was 84.5dB(B)/2.83V/m, which is within experimental error of the specified 85dB. This is a little lower than average but 2dB higher than the LS3/5A's.

Somewhat optimistically specified at 8 ohms, the LS50's impedance (fig.1, solid trace) drops to 4 ohms at 200Hz and to 5.4 ohms at the top of the audioband. The electrical phase angle is generally mild, but the combination of 5.3 ohms and –41° at 135Hz, a frequency where music often has high energy, will make the speaker work at its best with a good, 4 ohm–rated amplifier.

The small blip at 39kHz in the magnitude trace in fig.1 indicates that the tweeter's fundamental dome resonance lies at this very high frequency, but the traces in this graph are otherwise free from the small lower-frequency discontinuities that would suggest the presence of cabinet resonances of some kind. Cumulative spectral-decay plots of the cabinet walls' vibrational behavior, calculated from the output of a plastic-tape accelerometer, didn't uncover any midrange resonances on any of the surfaces, though the sidewalls flexed a little at the frequency of the port tuning frequency...
source:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker
 

JohnVF

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I'm half inclined to buy another pair but not for the use my last pair had. I have a pair of powered Yamaha near-field desktop monitors that i use for monitoring my occasional home recording efforts and I can't stand them. They look nice (all white, white woofers) but I can't get a good mix out of them, they're too thin and don't image for $*&$#^#. 3/4 of the time I just listen to music on them while I'm editing photos on my desktop computer, and they're too analytical for that. I'm thinking of ditching them and using something like the LS-50s off an amp. They're clean enough for my purposes for mixing, and nice enough sounding for music duty as well as a sort of control monitor to hear whatever I record would sound like on a normal stereo. That's my thought anyway. Basically living up to the LS3/5a purpose which, until I wrote this out, always confused me as a point of reference for them.
 

Prime Minister

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I've been tempted a few times to try them in my main rig with my Modwright gear for that same reason. I feel like that IS my sound. When I owned them before I used them with the Rega Brio-R for a moment, but then with my JobSys 225 amp and matching Job Pre2. I felt like that combo was very good, but I just wanted a little more deep bass.

They are really quite impressive though... and especially for a grand brand new.



See... I didn't expect much and was really impressed. Underwhelming isn't a word I would use to describe them unless your expectations were just sky high. I think they are very good.

- Woody
My expectations were indeed sky high. After about a million raves, from magazines and forum types, I was expecting something truly fantastic. I spent an afternoon with them, spinning CDs, powered by a small British integrated amp. For comparison, I had about half a dozen pairs of equivalently priced speakers, and the Kefs came no where close to the top.
 
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My expectations were indeed sky high. After about a million raves, from magazines and forum types, I was expecting something truly fantastic. I spent an afternoon with them, spinning CDs, powered by a small British integrated amp. For comparison, I had about half a dozen pairs of equivalently priced speakers, and the Kefs came no where close to the top.
They are very good "speakers" but I found them lacking in emotion. Could not connect with the LS50 in the same manner that I can with a number of other speakers in residence.
 

mhardy6647

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They are very good "speakers" but I found them lacking in emotion. Could not connect with the LS50 in the same manner that I can with a number of other speakers in residence.
I wondered about that. As a big speaker kind of fellow, I am always a bit skeptical of speakers in small boxes (although I have always really liked the LS3/5A models of yore).
 
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