Internet radio streams

MikeyFresh

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Any current recommendations for jazz streams? Cool jazz is not in my wheelhouse, but otherwise pretty flexible. Radio Swiss is already in my mix. Lossless or higher rez lossy is fine. There are plenty of 128 MP3 options.
Jazz24.org:

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Linn Jazz:

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Hi On Line Jazz:
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This last one is a mix different of jazz forms, can't promise you won't get hit with some "smooth" there.
 
Any current recommendations for jazz streams? Cool jazz is not in my wheelhouse, but otherwise pretty flexible. Radio Swiss is already in my mix.
You might want to try jazz24.org

It is the jazz stream service for KNKX in Seattle. I have listened to it for years via HD radio. It is not perfect but they do play a lot of fine music. The music is a mix of "straight ahead" jazz and contemporary jazz. They also have access to live tracks of music performed by jazz musicians visiting their Seattle studios.

Edit: It seems that two of us were writing our posts at the same time
 

Tillerman

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Thanks - I am familiar with Jazz24 and Linn already. I will need to check out Hi On Line - Jazz as that is a new one to me.

Also, I misspoke earlier, I said cool jazz but meant smooth jazz was not in my wheelhouse.
 

MikeyFresh

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Thanks - I am familiar with Jazz24 and Linn already. I will need to check out Hi On Line - Jazz as that is a new one to me.

Also, I misspoke earlier, I said cool jazz but meant smooth jazz was not in my wheelhouse.
Ha, I knew what you meant! Hence my warning that you might get "smoothed" at times with Hi On Line, as theirs in particular is a varied stream not at all limited to straight ahead or "classic" forms of jazz. Still good though.
 

MikeyFresh

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Some time ago when the Radio Paradise FLAC streams including meta data first came online, I had compared the UI for Moode and Volumio as it relates to these streams on Raspberry Pi.

I looked at that again today as we've been revisiting these FLAC streams, to see if things still stand about the same or not, and to try those new stream links with Volumio.

Earlier today in this thread there are posts with screenshots of Moode, showing the various new FLAC streams and their meta data, along with customized radio station icons that help to visually identify them. Tonight I connected a Raspberry Pi running Volumio, to see how it might render those differently from Moode.

Turns out Moode is superior in all but one case. Volumio does not allow the use of a station icon when creating your own stations like Moode does, so even though the same stream links do work, you can't assign a station icon, and in some cases, the meta data was either not there, or incomplete on Volumio as compared to Moode.

Not a big deal of course, especially for anyone who treats these internet "radio" stations like they would treat an AM/FM broadcast, you don't exactly sit there staring at the frequency readout/display with old school radio, so if treating these internet radio stations as background music, then lack of a station icon or even the meta data isn't going to be a deal breaker if simple music playing is the goal.

But if using internet radio for music discovery purposes, then the meta data is actually important in identifying exactly what you are listening to at a glance.

There is one interesting exception to Moode's superiority in this regard, and it's the same as the last time I had compared Moode to Volumio for internet radio. Somehow with Volumio having built an actual Radio Paradise plug-in for their distro, they remain the only game in town offering both the meta data and actual album art on those Radio Paradise FLAC streams, and with that, Volumio is the best looking and most polished UI for Raspberry Pi when streaming the Radio Paradise stations:

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I chose the custom background skin of a vinyl LP record, but the rest of the above is the standard Volumio UI for the Radio Paradise FLAC streams with meta data, and it is best in class for Raspberry Pi.

In some ways I'm surprised Volumio doesn't just apply that same coding to the UI for all internet radio streams that support meta data, however from where they are getting that album art is a mystery to me, and as far as I know a proprietary exclusive for displaying internet radio streams of this kind.
 

billfort

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Wow Mike, that looks great, Volumio is even out-doing Roon here; Roon does show the track info now for Radio Paradise (which is the important thing to me), but no album art, all you get is the static station image.

Volumio looks so polished the way you have it set up, if you could only integrate HQPlayer into it!
 

billfort

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This morning I loaded the urls for Radio BluesFlac (flac), TMEFolk radio (flac) and Mother Earth Radio (flac 24/96) into Roon for a good listen. To get the geeky stuff out of the way; this means I could listen to lossless 16/44 flac (24/96 from Mother Earth) streamed live, passing through HQPlayer's filters/upscaling to DSD256 to play straight-up to my DAC's AKM SD chipset without internal conversion.

Wow! TMEFolk and Radio Blues sound fantastic with that big detailed soundtage that lets you so easily forget about all the audio stuff. A quick switch to the lossy streams from other stations it pretty jarring, where things drop down to that flat, lifeless image and lack of extension I remember when deciding it just wasn't worth live streaming on this system.

The real shocker here though was the Mother Earth 24/96 stream which was like a gateway drug quickly followed by being cut-off with supply! First thing I heard was a solo grand-piano recording that was a 'wow' moment; huge sound-stage that stretched beyond the side walls and WAY deep, along with pretty stunning dynamic contrasts that went from whisper quiet intimate keystrokes to...yeah, grand piano. :) Unfortunately though (damn!!!), what started as a click increased to full drop-outs, so this just isn't ready for a long term relationship.

Fantastic combination. These stations (along with my favourite Radio Paradise) can sound SO good, and then add in the interesting possibility of well curated playlists including material you might not have considered or even know about in the past.

I can see myself spending a lot of time with these.
 

billfort

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Now this is cool.

While listening to some of these new stations Mike linked to above, I noticed another fantastic piece of integration Roon brings to the table if listening to these through their interface.

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In this first screen cut, you have the track playing showing the metadata in the lower left corner (song name, artist, album) which was the important thing for me - a pic of the album would be nice but really no big deal. The cool thing - clicking on that artist name or album, takes you right into Roon's page for that artist or it's entries for that album - while the track is playing on the internet stream! And since this is all integrated with Tidal, chances are very good that the album will be found. I don't have Qobuz (sure wish I could!!) so don't know if it works the same with the Roon/Qobuz combination.

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You could add that album to your favourites to check out later, maybe buy, even listen to the same cut from the alternate sources available. In a few cases, I jumped from the internet stream to my .wav or hi-res rips on my server, sometimes to the same song on the Tidal copy. Killer for music discovery - a few hours listening on the internet tuned into a dozen or so albums in my Roon favourites from Tidal, and a few I'm going to buy physicals of - maybe from the artists directly.

The other thing that is very interesting, is the sound differences here. That second screen shot shows my Signal Path, in this case the stream comes from TMEFolk as FLAC 44.1kHz-16bit, through Roon that supposedly passes this off bit-perfect to HQPlayer for filtering (poly-sinc-ext2, ASDM5EC modulator) and upscaling to DSD256, onto the DAC.

The internet stream sounds fantastic this way, and these stations get a lot of play here. What surprised though; what is 'apparently' FLAC 44.1kHz-16bit from the stream, often sounds very different from the 'FLAC 44.1kHz-16bit' you hear off of Tidal, and different again from the 'FLAC 44.1kHz-16bit' I hear from my .wav CD rip. Sometimes they are very close - the Internet stream and my local rips - but sometimes they are night-and-day different; the Internet stream and Tidal. I have to do some more listening comparisons as this is weird, and I would not have figured I'd be preferring what I seem to much of the time. And no, this is not an MQA thing - I know they are there and I avoid them.

I am very close to ditching Tidal (and will when I can get Qobuz) but this kind of integration sure makes that tough as listening to music is a whole new kind of experience I'm becoming very addicted too. Bleeding edge computer based digital feeding antique 2A3s and Altecs - never would have figured I'd end up here and enjoying it this much. :)
 
I don't have Qobuz (sure wish I could!!) .....
There were ways to sign up for it, but it's tricky since even with a VPN, they could detect what part of the world the bank for your credit/debit card was from. Getting over the sign-up hump, though, I think others have had success. One member in the Roon forum claims he got a CIBC debit card and was able to use it (the post is somewhat incoherent--last one in the thread).


They also take PayPal but again, they might still notice it's a PayPal account from Canada, even if you pay in US funds (you can convert the currency beforehand in your "wallet"). The best way is to find someone who can sign up an account on your behalf, then once it's going, change over to the Canadian credit/debit card and see how it goes. (As the worst case scenario, someone in the US might have to pay for the account and be reimbursed.)

As for getting over the sign-up hump, I've tested Qobuz at length with my VPN set to other countries (mainly Canada and France) and aside from the loss of speed due to the VPN service, there was no interruption in service, nor other errors saying I was in the wrong territory to use it. So in other words, they don't really seem to care where you are located when streaming. It seems that their gatekeeper is the signup process.
 

JoeThePop

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After 6 weeks of listening to the main mix on Radio Paradise, I have to say I am thoroughly enjoying it. I am discovering so much music new to me both from artists I didn't know and artists I am familiar with but have never heard the particular song before.

Just heard a female voice that sounded very familiar, but I couldn't place it. So as I don't get the metadata on the Play-Fi app, I keep my old phone handy so I can use Shazam. And what comes up is Yello. Huh? I know Yello, but I don't remember any female vocals on their music.
A little Googling of the song title reveals the vocalist as Welsh Singer Shirly Bassey, who I didn't know of. Then I see she sang the Bond theme songs for Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever, and Moonraker. Now I know where I've heard that voice. So much fun discovering music on this stream.

 

MikeyFresh

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Welsh Singer Shirly Bassey, who I didn't know of.
Wow, I must be old or something, I thought everyone knew who Shirley Bassey was! 🧓

Though I'm too young to have seen Goldfinger or Diamonds Are Forever in the theater, I definitely saw Moonraker at a cinema in Ocean City, MD in summer 1979.

I did not have any recollection of Shirley Bassey ever performing with Yello however, as you said, Radio Paradise is a treasure trove of such things.
 

JoeThePop

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Wow, I must be old or something, I thought everyone knew who Shirley Bassey was! 🧓

Though I'm too young to have seen Goldfinger or Diamonds Are Forever in the theater, I definitely saw Moonraker at a cinema in Ocean City, MD in summer 1979.

I did not have any recollection of Shirley Bassey ever performing with Yello however, as you said, Radio Paradise is a treasure trove of such things.

I'm going to give you the "or something" because I'm old and didn't know her.
 

MikeyFresh

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I added a few more internet radio FLAC streams to Moode that might be of interest, there are actually quite a few I skip in the House/Dance/Urban/Techno type of genres. However a couple of streams described simply as Pop, while not really my personal cup of tea, have at times had some decent songs and/or may be of interest to some folks, if not yourself then maybe another member of the household for instance:

Kool 95 | Classic Hits Canada (Toronto) with metadata
(EDIT: As of June 2021 this is a dead link, Kool 95 appears to be no more)
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SuperStereo 1 | Radio Chile (Santiago) no metadata

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I also see in Moode 7.1.0 that Naim Radio is finally working, I don't know if previously it was geofenced or what, but I'd had no luck with it in the past. Moode's included station is 320AAC, however I had read somewhere that Naim now has several FLAC streams, I just wasn't sure if those were restricted to use with Naim brand streamers or not. It turns out initially it only worked on the latest generation of Naim streamers, and on LMS/Squeezebox, but not on the original first generation Naim streamers, so perhaps a small embarrassment for Naim and yet another feather in the cap of Squeeze. It does now work on Moode's UPnP Renderer as well.

Naim Records produces some really well recorded stuff. After adding the Naim FLAC streams to Moode's radio station manager, they work, but unlike their compressed AAC streams, there is no metadata:

Naim Radio | Naim Records (U.K.) no metadata

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Naim Jazz | Naim Records (U.K.) no metadata

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Naim Classical | Naim Records (U.K.) no metadata

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Any good Americana streams that lean towards Texas Red Dirt (not to disparage Oklahoma Red Dirt...love me some CCR)?
 

JoeThePop

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Another discovery from Radio Paradise. Maybe I should start putting these discoveries in the appropriate sub-genre music threads, but I found nothing for Spanish style flamenco guitar. I liked the playing and was totally shocked when Shazam turned up Steve Stevens (best known for playing with Billy Idol).

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Olson_jr

Active Member
After 6 weeks of listening to the main mix on Radio Paradise, I have to say I am thoroughly enjoying it. I am discovering so much music new to me both from artists I didn't know and artists I am familiar with but have never heard the particular song before.

Just heard a female voice that sounded very familiar, but I couldn't place it. So as I don't get the metadata on the Play-Fi app, I keep my old phone handy so I can use Shazam. And what comes up is Yello. Huh? I know Yello, but I don't remember any female vocals on their music.
A little Googling of the song title reveals the vocalist as Welsh Singer Shirly Bassey, who I didn't know of. Then I see she sang the Bond theme songs for Goldfinger, Diamonds Are Forever, and Moonraker. Now I know where I've heard that voice. So much fun discovering music on this stream.


Shirley Bassey was also the vocalist in a Propellerheads song named "History Repeating," a fun little pop tune well worth seeking out.
 

MikeyFresh

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SuperStereo Radio Chile has four different internet radio streams, but until recently only the SuperStereo1 channel (described as "80s music") was a FLAC stream, the others were compressed.

On March 27th SuperStereo4 also went to a FLAC stream, described as soft rock, easy listening, and ballads of the 70, 80s and 90s.

While this one won't become a daily driver for me personally, I'm enjoying it just fine this morning, and so far it has been delivered glitch free:

SuperStereo4 | Radio Chile (Santiago, FLAC, no metdata)

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