iPhone Sync and Apple Music and Monthly Fees (Rant and Plea for Help)

MikeT.

Senior Member
Here’s one that’s got me on edge. I used iTunes to download much of my CD collection to my dedicated Mac Mini. I purchased a new after market car radio that allows me to stream Bluetooth. Now that I have this feature, I’m trying to sync tunes to my iPhone only to now learn that iTunes really doesn’t exist anymore, replaced by Apple Music which, of course, costs $10 a month.

There’s software called Apple Music Match or something like that which helps manage your content but that cost $25 a year. Apple is starting to pi$$ me off. Monthly subscriptions in general, Xfinity, CBS All Access, Disney Plus, Paramount just announced, Netflix, Hulu......keep on track Mike. This could get expensive real fast.

I’m rapidly becoming tired of monthly fees, though I love Qobuz and give my money freely.
I have a lifetime subscription to Roon and will save music in any folder I choose, Roon will find it and does a decent job organizing my library.

I love my iPhone and the way it works and just want a simple way to add and delete music on the phone to listen in my car. What am I missing? Am I complicating this? Should I just manually move files to my iPhone and delete old ones, or is Apple not going to let me do that?

Suggestions and obvious solutions appreciated. :think
 

airdronian

Junior Member
Does Qobuz have a mobile app similar to Tidal ? With the latter you can download music to the device for offline listening. If so, maybe you can use that.
 

JohnVF

Administrator
Staff member
I am guessing, perhaps wrongly, that there are 3rd party music playing apps for iphone? I haven't used iTunes in years, my car-duty is handled by Spotify or Tidal. Which reminds me, yeah, I'm really sick of all these subscriptions services, too. They all add up to a lot of $$. Adobe Creative Cloud/Darkroom wanting monthly was my last straw with them, I went to another photo software that I could just buy outright.
 

MikeT.

Senior Member
I am guessing, perhaps wrongly, that there are 3rd party music playing apps for iphone? I haven't used iTunes in years, my car-duty is handled by Spotify or Tidal. Which reminds me, yeah, I'm really sick of all these subscriptions services, too. They all add up to a lot of $$. Adobe Creative Cloud/Darkroom wanting monthly was my last straw with them, I went to another photo software that I could just buy outright.
“3rd party music playing apps for iphone?” Probably, I’m hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

I think Tidal allows downloads as well, I knew I was overthinking this. And Adobe is absolutely the worst.
 

JohnVF

Administrator
Staff member
The best day of the last couple of years was when I discovered that AT&T had, at least at the time, a somewhat hidden unlimited data plan. I stream everything in my car now, though mostly podcasts and spotify. Best of luck... a quick look reveals there are in fact 3rd party players, I just don't know which is best.
 

MikeyFresh

Moderator
Staff member
I used iTunes to download much of my CD collection to my dedicated Mac Mini.
So these were rips of your own CDs, and you used iTunes to manage that content onto and off of
the iPhone? In other words, we aren't talking about iTunes Store downloads, correct?

Now that I have this feature, I’m trying to sync tunes to my iPhone only to now learn that iTunes really doesn’t exist anymore, replaced by Apple Music which, of course, costs $10 a month.
Not exactly, iTunes ceases to exist if you actually update the macOS to Catalina, otherwise you still have iTunes. My MacBook air for instance is still running Mojave, thus I still have iTunes on it.

Even when I do update to Catalina, there will be a Music app, but that Music app is not to be confused with the Apple Music paid online cloud streaming service, they are two separate things. I think the management of content onto and off of the iPhone is actually simplified, now just sync from the Finder if I'm not mistaken. So you can still manage content without iTunes, and Apple Music the paid online cloud streaming service is not at all necessary to manage your own CD rip content.

I love my iPhone and the way it works and just want a simple way to add and delete music on the phone to listen in my car. What am I missing? Am I complicating this? Should I just manually move files to my iPhone and delete old ones, or is Apple not going to let me do that?
You should be able to add/delete content on the iPhone right from the Finder if you've upgraded to Catalina and thus have lost iTunes forever.

Suggestions and obvious solutions appreciated.
If the above proves troublesome for any reason you can always use JRiver, it's not free, but it does offer full management of what they call handhelds, including iPhone, and it also allows you to move over things like playlists from iTunes, assuming you haven't done that Catalina update just yet.
 

MikeT.

Senior Member
@MikeyFresh , thanks so much for your replies. I'm learning a lot.

I've already updated to Catalina and think I'm seeing what you describe about transferring content. I've just got to play with it a little more.

Haven't tried using Finder for a simplified approach.

Yep, they were all rips of my own CD's. I think I may have had a total of 10 actual download purchases, maybe two of those were albums. . Won

I think I have a very old version of JRiver. Wonder if it even works at all now.
 

MikeyFresh

Moderator
Staff member
@MikeyFresh , thanks so much for your replies. I'm learning a lot.

I've already updated to Catalina and think I'm seeing what you describe about transferring content. I've just got to play with it a little more.

Haven't tried using Finder for a simplified approach.
My pleasure, a friend of mine on the west coast has upgraded to Catalina and told me he is managing his iPhone content via the Finder, so it should work for you too.

Yep, they were all rips of my own CD's. I think I may have had a total of 10 actual download purchases, maybe two of those were albums
If those downloads are of a certain vintage they may not transfer back and forth, due to being DRM wrapped.
I think I have a very old version of JRiver. Wonder if it even works at all now.
It probably will, I had used a very old version of JRiver on my Windows 7 machine at work, then when I was upgraded to Windows 10 it still worked. You can upgrade JRiver to the current version for $22.98, until this coming Monday when their special introductory pricing for JRMC26 ends.
 
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