KS-6368, part deux.

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So, took a long hiatus from the WE KS-6368. The original KS-6368 has a long list of materials, mold tools, and fabrication challenges. Also, by all accounts, it was a dark sounding horn. None the less, the throat-through-mouth design continues to fascinate and stays stuck in my head.

The long break was needed to come up with reasonable solutions the many challenges:

1) Materials. Could not find the right flannel/fabric material that conforms to the extractable mold forms. Laying up wood veneers is a solution. However, the "banking" angles on the sides went the wrong way. Making bending and forming the sides very challenging.
2) How to bend/shape/pre-form the two sides, top and bottom pieces out of wood?
3) How to join the pieces together given the walls will be quite thin (about 0.2-0.25 inches)?
4) Fabricating the thin upright throat out of wood is problematic. Likely will have to be double-sided CNC'ed to get the correct shapes and wall thickness.
5) How to mount a modern 1" CD with very little clearance?
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The model below is for an Altec 1" type CD. Mouth is 16" x 16" square. Horn front to back is just shy of 16". Effective horn length is 40".

Cast metal throat going into a bent wood body. Stole the metal throat going into a wooden body idea from the WE 15A! Casting the throat also provides for additional features to secure the top and bottom of the wooden body to the throat - improving overall rigidity. Original KS-6368 uses cloth ribbons and dextrin - not very rigid.
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From this angle, the side bank turns with the right side higher than the left side at the end. Having attempted to form the sides of the WE 6368, the bank turns the other way. In effect, you will have to twist the wood counter clockwise while bending it down. The opposite bank turn in this design should minimize the twist on the inside edge. That little bump at the upper right/inside edge is to account for the cross-section area of the upright throat piece to maintain the correct expansion ratio.
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The upright throat is slim viewing from the front. Wide viewing from the side. This is to be as least disturbance to sound waves as possible.

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The CD is first mounted to a threaded flange. Then, the assembly is screwed into the threaded throat.
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This model is a cumulation of months of on-and-off thinking and lessons learned from past attempts. Okay, dammed the torpedoes. Full speed ahead!
 
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"...In effect, you will have to twist the wood counter clockwise while bending it down..."

The first thing that comes to my mind is building a buck and steam-bending. Or possibly a bending iron like a luthier might use.
 
The top and bottom pieces are straight forward since they only have to bend in one direction.
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The side pieces are more difficult. They bend down with a twist. The inside edge does not like that. Can not be avoided. But, the new design should minimize the twist on the inside edge by making the outside edge go down faster.

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look at the prices! 92 years a go! Seems like a long time and a lot of progress till you realize we still like to go back to the old designs because they were best!

Things do go full circle some times.
 
They certainly weren’t giving them away back then either
look at the prices! 92 years a go! Seems like a long time and a lot of progress till you realize we still like to go back to the old designs because they were best!

Things do go full circle some times.
They certainly weren’t giving them away back then either. But rightly so, these things were built to last!

“Adjusted for inflation, $175 in 1931 is equal to $3,226 in 2023”
 
So, designed and 3D printed the bending fixture. As a test, clamped two 3mm birch plywood pieces together on the fixture. As hoped/expected, much easier due to the negative bank (sloping down instead of up). Need to get more clamps.

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So, designed and 3D printed the bending fixture. As a test, clamped two 3mm birch plywood pieces together on the fixture. As hoped/expected, much easier due to the negative bank (sloping down instead of up). Need to get more clamps.

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There’s a saying amongst wood workers; you can never have too many clamps.

Can’t wait to see more of this horn unfold!
 
These good people are 30 minutes from me. They make veneers in house among other things. Have an appointment to talk to one of their experts/advisers next week. Hopefully they can recommend the wood species, veneer type and thickness appropriate for this project.

 
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In the WE KS6368, the cross section of the upright throat was compensated by creating a dome at the top where the throat exits the body. Ingenious. The dome serves to stiffen the top (dome shapes are structurally more rigid than flat surfaces). Also, the dome allows for the edges of the top of the side walls to remain smooth.

Below is an alternate model with the dome (instead of a "road bump" in the previous model). The problem is in fabrication. In order to create such a dome, the wood panel must be bent in one direction and curved in another direction. Don't know if it can be done. Wood species and thicknesses will have to be experimented to find out.

I prefer the clean look of this version - if it can be done.

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Test laminated 5 pieces of 2-ply veneer. The final thickness came out to be around 0.175". That is just shy of the actual thickness of the KS-6368 and in the neighborhood of vintage phonograph horns. Still dialing in the best adhesive, better clamping and curing fixtures.

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