Revolver

mhardy6647

Señor Member
Why Revolver is “the” Beatles album and probably one of the best ever.

Not that this is deeply profound, nor completely on-target :p but, by and large I agree with this author (FWIW).
Poor form to quote copyrighted content, but I am not sure how accessible this link will be.
So, quote some, I shall.

"It is said that Brian Wilson from The Beach Boys had a nervous breakdown when he listened to Seargent Pepper’s. I think Revolver was so ahead of its time that he could not realise one year before that “they got there first” as reportedly uttered when he heard Strawberry Field [sic] Forever, pulled over in his car, and broke down in tears. Or maybe that’s when the penny dropped that Beatles made the perfect record..."

(not that Strawberry Fields Forever actually ended to be on Sgt. Pepper's and not that the author got its title right, but point taken :))
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"There are many Beatles on Revolver. You have the Hamburg touch, but they never before made a song like And Your Bird Can Sing. Only here they have 120 seconds held together by harmonics, the mastery of the minor-major transition, the delusional puppy love, and George Harrison’s guitar which needed a few years of practice to get to play those licks. Another thing is that I usually do not notice McCartney’s bass unless isolated like in Come Together, but once you focus on it you realise how it gives the unsensed but foundational sense to the entire song. And that little diddle at the end… Lennon dismissed it later on as being “fancy paper around an empty box”. Well, great bands had entire albums without a song this good..."

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"And probably it mattered that it was made on drugs. Bill Hicks said they were so high they even let Ringo sing one after peeling him from the ceiling with a mop, and that is Yellow Submarine of all [of all what? and who is 'Bill Hicks'?]. But then again, what was he on when recording Tomorrow Never Knows when he keeps that tight and syncopatic drum roll like a manic shaman? What substances afforded for those loops, the disjointed screeching, the hypnotic and cinematic collage? How did they get to that perfect synchrony and compatibility between all four of them to make such a perfect album?..."

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"They never returned to this kind of exploration again, but it still sounds like the music of the future made in 1966...
Revolver is a sort of a concept album, if the concept is “The Beatles”. It packs all their contribution to music in 14 songs over 35 minutes and one second. The longest songs are 3 minutes sharp, there is no flabbiness, all are just bang on...
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So, FWIW, I think that Tomorrow Never Knows is one of the (if not the) most remarkable... umm... pop?... rock??... songs evah.
I
would certainly categorize it, at least, as music from the future... in 1966.

Thoughts?

:)
 

TubeHiFiNut

Administrator
For The Beatles, Rubber Soul and Revolver definitely marked their "pivot" from "lovable mop-tops" to the group who, in many ways, launched the LSD fueled Psychedelic Rock genre.

I really like both albums, with the nod going to Revolver.

Just my opinion. :)

Good suggestion for a Sunday morning as soon as I am done listening to Yo-Yo Ma - Six Evolutions - Bach Cello Concertos. :)
 

rogerfederer

Junior Member
timely post as wife and i watched a cool beatles documentary last night. focus was on the band's impact on society and culture, not just music. made the case pretty well.

in my youth i was a stones guy; i somehow felt the beatles were more fuddy duddy. now i think the stones are too limited to their blues/R&B roots. mick's lyrics are clever but not as deep as the lennon/mccartney best stuff. beatles ranged a lot farther afield. rubber soul/revolver were certainly the pivot. can't say i much like the earlier stuff. but those two albums are excellent and were the runway for abbey road, white album, etc.
 

JohnVF

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Staff member
They were not a band by the time I was born, and without the context of culture that was contemporary to them, they just never had much of an impact on me. I don't mean that to disparage them, I just think that to fully get the experience, you had to have been there. That, and the Stones always connected with me much more.
 

mhardy6647

Señor Member
One of my favorite Beatles albums, although I think Abbey Road just edges it out.
Abbey Road is cut from such a different cloth -- a superb record, maybe the one with the most heart of their catalog(??).

I cannot remember the exact source, but some recent report/essay on the rerelease of the White Album (or maybe not?!) commented, almost as an aside, that the Beatles went into the studio to make Abbey Road hell-bent on simply doing what they all knew they could do -- producing (arguably) a perfect record album as a memento mori. I am paraphrasing wildly. :)

Extra credit essay question: Given the existence of the Rolling Stones, was there any reason for Led Zeppelin ever to have existed? ;)
 

GuyK

Junior Member
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Extra credit essay question: Given the existence of the Rolling Stones, was there any reason for Led Zeppelin ever to have existed? ;)
If we consider pre and post Mick Taylor Rolling Stones, I wonder if your question could be reversed. And this is coming from somebody that cannot stomach Led Zeppelin. But I think the Stones and Zeppelin brought entirely different things to the table.
 

TubeHiFiNut

Administrator
I like both bands and believe that they bring very different things to the rock and roll tapestry of the 1960s and early/mid 1970s.

What do you think about the current controversy surrounding Led Zeppelin's ALLEGED appropriation of songs from other composers/musicians without proper attribution?

Led Zeppelin’s Controversial Legacy
 

Thermionics

Post Whore In Training
Abbey Road is cut from such a different cloth -- a superb record, maybe the one with the most heart of their catalog(??).

I cannot remember the exact source, but some recent report/essay on the rerelease of the White Album (or maybe not?!) commented, almost as an aside, that the Beatles went into the studio to make Abbey Road hell-bent on simply doing what they all knew they could do -- producing (arguably) a perfect record album as a memento mori. I am paraphrasing wildly. :)

Extra credit essay question: Given the existence of the Rolling Stones, was there any reason for Led Zeppelin ever to have existed? ;)
Silly question. That's like asking, "Given the existence of The Kinks, was there any reason for The Who ever to have existed?"
 

rogerfederer

Junior Member
have retried zep a few times in the last few years. only LP i find listenable is physical graffiti. i think the stones did a better job of white boys appropriating blues. but, this is why music is fun--we all can have opinions.
 

TubeHiFiNut

Administrator
Although I like both The Stones and Led Zep (certain songs, at least), I listen to a lot more Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Renaissance, The Who, The Dead, The Beatles and several others than I do The Stones or Led Zep.

Not to denigrate either band, just my opinion.
 

JohnVF

Administrator
Staff member
Extra credit essay question: Given the existence of the Rolling Stones, was there any reason for Led Zeppelin ever to have existed? ;)
With the Beatles on the scene, there was a -1 in sexuality in Rock n Roll. This, being a condition that could not be left to stand lest the world go out of balance, required another band that +2 in that area to even things out, leaving Rock n Roll the way it should be.
 

mhardy6647

Señor Member
With the Beatles on the scene, there was a -1 in sexuality in Rock n Roll. This, being a condition that could not be left to stand lest the world go out of balance, required another band that +2 in that area to even things out, leaving Rock n Roll the way it should be.
Does this have anything to do with mud sharks?
I mean, elasmobranchs are very sexy...
 

JohnVF

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Staff member
Does this have anything to do with mud sharks?
I mean, elasmobranchs are very sexy...
Whatever floats your boat, be it mud sharks or the Beatles. We all have our vices!

My dad listened to army marches and polka, so maybe that's why I didn't get the Fab 4 bug.
 
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