Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player

MikeyFresh

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#1
Welcome to the HFH Rip SACD with a Blu-Ray Player thread!

This thread is not intended to rehash or further detail the well established PlayStation 3 SACD ripping method, nor the more recent Blu-ray player method, that in each case typically involves use of a command line interface (CLI) via the Terminal or Console, and/or a Telnet/SSH session.

While both of the above are perfectly workable solutions, they are also more complex than most non-expert computer users care to tackle. The CLI can be intimidating and/or tedious for those unaccustomed to it.

This thread instead details in concise fashion the use of certain model Blu-ray players when coupled with the superb Sonore ISO2DSD freeware, which offers an easy to understand GUI that is configured and operated with just a few clicks on Windows, Mac, or Linux based computers (64-bit OS version required).

Update Oct. 2018:
There is also now an upgrade alternative to the venerable ISO2DSD app available. This newly hatched freeware is called SACDExtractGUI (thank you mindset!). It offers some additional functions, and rip speed improvement too coupled with mindset's sacd_extract 3.9 (itself a fork of Mr. Wicked's wonderful original extract tool). While Sonore's ISO2DSD is also fully compatible with sacd_extract 3.9, there you'll only get the rip speed improvement, but not the additional functionality offered by SACDExtractGUI. The new SACDExtractGUI is available for Windows, Mac, and Linux based computers, as well as the ARM based Raspberry Pi 3B.

The specific SACD ripping method detailed here utilizes the Blu-ray player as a file server (aka the server method), with the extracted DSD tracks sent over Ethernet or WiFi to a destination computer residing anywhere on the same local area network (LAN) as the server Blu-ray player/ripper.

We'll focus on extracting the 2-channel stereo tracks, converting them directly to .dsf files and forgoing a full ISO disc archive, electing not to rip any multi-channel tracks. This saves significant storage space, ripping time, as well as the post-rip time and effort needed to split the stereo from the multichannel in a full ISO. Alternatively, opting to rip a full ISO (or just the multichannel tracks) is only a difference of a couple of clicks should one be so inclined.

Additionally, the initial subplot of this thread will center on use of the recently discovered (Feb. 2018) inexpensive Sony brand Blu-ray player models that currently hold the distinction of being the "world's least expensive SACD ripping solution".

While no longer in production, these Sony Blu-ray player models are available on the used market for as little as $20, and were commonly sold all over the world by various retailers including Costco, Walmart, and Target, so they should remain easily obtained for some time to come.

The essentially similar procedure for using certain model Pioneer, Oppo, Cambridge, and Arcam brand Blu-ray players will also be covered, if any Haven members prefer to use those machines instead of a Sony.
 
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MikeyFresh

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Is this in some way different than what the guys at Computer Audio have been doing for the last couple of years?
In some ways yes, and in most ways no.

The threads on the AA, CA, and SH forums have become very long, sometimes contain errors, dated information, and off-topic content too. They can be somewhat difficult to search.

This is not to say those threads aren't extremely valuable resources, and I'm surely not knocking them in any way, I learned 99% of what I know about SACD ripping on the very CA thread you referenced.

But I hope this Haven thread will offer some important differences.

First, a concise, up-to-date, relatively clutter free, easy to understand for the non-expert computer method that anyone can do. This means I will largely forgo discussion on use of things like the command line interface (CLI), Telnet, SSH, or any other somewhat advanced programs or methods requiring more than just basic computer skills and knowledge.

Second, we'll focus on the most recent development first, that being the relatively new finding of various downright inexpensive Sony model Blu-ray players that are compatible. This is not to say that information wasn't also hatched elsewhere. It was, and I don't at all claim to have invented it, though I did help to test/refine/troubleshoot it. It's a newer and cheaper way to rip SACDs and those Sony models involved are easily obtained. In fact many people already own one, given they were commonly sold at chains such as Costco, Walmart, and Target.

Lastly, this Haven thread will be different simply because this is HiFi Haven. Though the CA thread you mention has been relatively free of bad behavior/participants, at least in comparison to many other threads there, thats not to say it never happens. I've seen posts attacking the OP for not immediately responding to a question, posts attacking methods or members when someone having difficulty feels the need to point fingers/blame others for their own mistakes, posts attacking companies and freeware like Sonore ISO2DSD, etc... this Haven thread will have exactly none of that.

I could go on, but I think that's the gist of it. This Haven thread aims to be newer, kinder/gentler for beginners, more concise, and hopefully easier to understand with one streamlined process (the server extraction method over a network using a GUI instead of the CLI), all presented and discussed in the spirit and manner we've become accustomed to here, as opposed to elsewhere on the web.
 

billfort

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Thanks for taking this on Mike - this is great!

I've been ripping all my SACDs to DSD for years using the PS-3 method but it's clunky & geeky to say the least - would love to see a concise and noise-free description of how to do it using more 'current' pieces.
 

John Frum

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#11
So, with greater accessibility of SACD ripping technology, may we posit the existence, somewhere in the darkest nooks and crannies of the innerwebs, of a site listing the whole catalog of SACD titles with DSD torrent links?

Because, uh, if so, we should all make sure not to go there.

In any case, all this talk of nooks and crannies makes me want an English muffin.
 

Prime Minister

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So, with greater accessibility of SACD ripping technology, may we posit the existence, somewhere in the darkest nooks and crannies of the innerwebs, of a site listing the whole catalog of SACD titles with DSD torrent links?

Because, uh, if so, we should all make sure not to go there.

In any case, all this talk of nooks and crannies makes me want an English muffin.
That would be dreadful. I'd have to visit there, just determine the size and scope of the transgressions.
 

MikeyFresh

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#15
I have been ripping SACDs on the Oppo BDP-103 Player for the last 18 months. Works like a charm
Me too, I started with a Pioneer BDP-80fd in July 2016, and then upgraded to the near-Oppo clone Cambridge CXU model in March 2017. Both have been rock solid.

I wanted redundancy, as the Pioneer doesn't exhibit great build quality, and I am hell-bent on retaining SACD ripping capability indefinitely, so I added that Oppo-caliber Cambridge CXU unit to my fleet where it serves primary duty as the main disc spinner in a video-based living room set-up.

And with the recent advent of cheap Sony model compatibility, I've now got 3 capable machines: a cheap Sony, a mid-priced Pioneer, and an expensive Cambridge. I've pushed this cheap Sony BDP-S5100 unit to front line duty, for now it will do all of the SACD rip heavy lifting.

I will not relinquish this ability to rip SACDs, I've waited far too long for it, and every time I turn around I've bought some new titles that need to be ripped.
 
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MikeyFresh

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A good starting point in this thread for anyone hoping to rip their own SACDs involves reviewing a list of "reported working" Blu-ray player brands and models.

Maybe a Haven member already owns one of these units, or in the case of these newly discovered cheap Sony models, perhaps there are Haven members who would take the same type of low-risk $39 (or so) eBay plunge I recently did to acquire a used example that will get the job done.

To my knowledge, all of the known to work players have one thing in common, they utilize the MediaTek MT8560, or MT8580 SoC as their CPU solution. While it appears MediaTek still sells the MT8580, the players known to be using this IC were all first offered for sale sometime around 2012, and since then the subsequent model offerings have used different CPUs and are thus (currently) incompatible with ripping SACDs.

So we are talking about "old" technology here, though Oppo, Cambridge, Pioneer, Primare, and Arcam all continued to offer these units as a current model straight through much of 2017, and there are still today some new-in-box Pioneer units available, but they are vanishing fast (Best Buy might have the only remaining new stock).

Below is a list of reported working/compatible with SACD ripping brands and models, hopefully there will be additional discoveries and this list can someday be revised once again, just like it was in February 2018 with the addition of the Sony units listed below.

Sony brand compatible Blu-ray players:
BDP-S390 (also sold as BX39 in some markets)
BDP-S490
BDP-S590 (also sold as BX59 in some markets)
BDP-S4100
BDP-S5100 (also sold as BX510 in some markets)


Pioneer brand compatible Blu-ray players:
BDP-80FD
BDP-160
BDP-170


Oppo brand compatible Blu-ray players:
BDP-103 and 103D
BDP-105 and 105D


Cambridge brand compatible Blu-ray players:
Azur 752BD
CXU

Arcam brand compatible Blu-ray & CD/SACD players:
FMJ UDP411
FMJ CDS27

Primare brand compatible Blu-ray player:
BD32 MkII


Electrocompaniet brand compatible Blu-ray player:

EMP3

Are there any Haven members who have one of the models listed above, and would like to rip their SACDs?
 
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Probably a dumb question from the non-digital one here..... :)

The OPPO BDP93 I have plays SACDs. What I take from your post, though, is that it will not RIP them?
 

MikeyFresh

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Tonight I configured the $39 Sony BDP-S5100 "eBay Treasure" unit for connection to my home network via WiFi, allowing the removal of the Ethernet cable from the player's LAN port.

This unit is now no longer physically tethered to my router, so it can be relocated anywhere in the house, and the only cable it needs is it's captive AC power cord.

I then proceeded to successfully rip the RCA Living Stereo Chopin Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2/Rubenstein SACD reissue with absolutely no troubles.

This dispels an often repeated fallacy found on some other forums: that WiFi isn't stable enough or high bandwidth capable for ripping SACD over a network.

That's a gross over generalization, modern WiFi in all but the most interference-prone environments will work perfectly well for ripping SACDs over a network, albeit just a little bit slower than an Ethernet wired connection.

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