Can I get a little more info on how you did this deed?
Specifically on the ripping task -
I have on Oppo 103D downstairs with a Wifi connection,
and my MacPro with all the music files on it up in the office ...
and I do have a stack of Living Stereo discs that would be nice to "Rip"
Thanks in advance for the enlightenment!

Tonight I configured the $39 Sony BDP-S5100 "eBay Treasure" unit for connection to my home network via WiFi, allowing the removal of the Ethernet cable from the player's LAN port.

This unit is now no longer physically tethered to my router, so it can be relocated anywhere in the house, and the only cable it needs is it's captive AC power cord.

I then proceeded to successfully rip the RCA Living Stereo Chopin Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2/Rubenstein SACD reissue with absolutely no troubles.

This dispels an often repeated fallacy found on some other forums: that WiFi isn't stable enough or high bandwidth capable for ripping SACD over a network.

That's a gross over generalization, modern WiFi in all but the most interference-prone environments will work perfectly well for ripping SACDs over a network, albeit a little bit slower than an Ethernet wired connection.

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MikeyFresh

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Can I get a little more info on how you did this deed?
Specifically on the ripping task -
I have on Oppo 103D downstairs with a Wifi connection,
and my MacPro with all the music files on it up in the office ...
and I do have a stack of Living Stereo discs that would be nice to "Rip"
Thanks in advance for the enlightenment!

Absolutely, I'll detail the process when I get home tonight. I'm very happy to hear there is a Haven member with SACDs to be ripped!

Your Oppo 103D will work perfectly for ripping those RCA Living Stereo SACDs.

The MacPro should also be fine so long as it is running at least 10.7.3 Lion as the OS. I can also confirm Mac working compatibility all the way up through OS 10.14 Mojave.

There are a couple of software dependencies, one of which you may already have, and the other you'll no doubt need to install.

The one you might already have is the Java Runtime Environment (JRE), use the latest version 8, or your Mac may complain/refuse the install.

After you've installed the JRE, the actual ripping software interface is Sonore ISO2DSD (v.6 for Mac), and it's a Java "applet" so you'll need Java first before installing ISO2DSD.
EDIT: As of October 2018, SACDExtractGUI has supplanted ISO2DSD as the state-of-the-art GUI ripping tool, offering additional functionality, and easier troubleshooting.

The only other hardware needed is a USB thumb drive. It's best to use one that doesn't have a bunch of other files on it, or lots of different partitions, it should be formatted as FAT32 (MS-DOS), with Master Boot Record (MBR) as the partition scheme, which is how thumb drives typically ship from the factory. Alternatively, NTFS formatting also works, with MBR as the partition scheme.

Later today I'll post a link where you can download the AutoScript folder that needs to reside on that USB thumb drive at the root level (not buried deeply within some string of existing folders).

The AutoScript folder is very small, so you don't need a large capacity thumb drive.
 

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The USB thumb drive used in ripping SACDs with a Blu-ray player needs to contain a folder called AutoScript at the root level (you can't bury it within an existing folder structure/tree on the thumb drive).

Don't rename the AutoScript folder nor any of it's contents, or place any other files/folders in it. In fact it is a good idea not to go poking around inside the folder contents at all, because one wrong keystroke will mess it up. Even just hitting the space bar or carriage return etc... will likely break the actual script, and there is no real reason to access it anyway, as no end-user intervention is required with the AutoScript folder when using the server method of ripping.

The links following the image below contain the appropriate AutoScript folder for both the Oppo/Cambridge Blu-ray players, and also the Pioneer/Sony units that are listed as compatible models on the 1st page of this thread (download the entire enclosing folder called AutoScript):

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Oppo-Cambridge

Pioneer-Sony


The above and below links contain AutoScript folders and file contents that are known to work using the Blu-ray player as network server method in conjunction with the ISO2DSD, or SACDExtractGUI applications.

Don't click into the file contents for any reason, you'll just mess them up, leave them alone and place the entire AutoScript enclosing folder onto a USB thumb drive at the root level, that's all. If you stubbornly ignore this instruction, don't be surprised when you have subsequent troubles that are difficult to diagnose and cure.

EDIT: On Feb. 20, 2019 newly developed Sony ARMv7 AutoScript versions enabled SACD ripping compatibility with three additional Sony model Blu-ray player models, the BDP-S6200/BX620, the BDP-S7200, and also the BDP-S790.

Sony BDP-S6200/BX620/S7200 (refer to Post #994 for use of this script)

Sony BDP-S790

Sony BDP-S6500/BX650 and certain early production S6700

The Sony ARMv7 AutoScript links directly above should only be used with the specific Sony models listed as compatible with them in the Feb. 2019 edit directly above, and with the Denon and Sony models listed as compatible in the Feb. and Jun. 2020 edits below. Do not use these versions of the AutoScript on any other Sony models, for all other Sony models use the earlier Pioneer-Sony script version.

EDIT: Feb. 21, 2020 ... Breaking news out of Europe indicates the same AutoScript version used with the Sony BDP-S790 is also compatible with the Denon DBT-3313UD/CI Universal players.

EDIT: June 25, 2020 ... Compatilibility is established with the Sony BDP-S6500/BX650, and certain early production S6700 units. We do not recommend the S6700 model due to many samples being incompatible, and difficulty in determining upfront if a unit is of newer or older production. If you already have an S6700, there is no harm in trying it, but don't buy one for the purpose of ripping SACD as it very likely won't work.

EDIT: July 21, 2020 ... Compatibility is established with the Yamaha BD-S677, using the Pioneer-Sony AutoScript version.

EDIT: Sept. 18, 2020 ... Compatibility is established with the Marantz UD7007, using the AutoScript version for the Sony BDP-S790.
 

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MikeyFresh

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Can I get a little more info on how you did this deed?
Specifically on the ripping task -

For your Oppo 103D player itself, enter the Setup Menu under Playback Setup and turn off both the Auto Play Mode, and the Auto Resume mode. If those are needed features for actual video watching, you can always change them back later, but both of those settings should be off for any SACD ripping sessions.

Once you have installed the aforementioned JRE, and the ISO2DSD applet linked to in an above post, and have prepared a USB thumb drive with the appropriate AutoScript folder using the link in the last post, you are ready for final software configuration followed by ripping an SACD.

In order to do the final set-up in ISO2DSD, you'll need to know the IP address that your WiFi router has assigned to your Oppo 103D. You can either use the excellent Fing app for iOS/Android to see the IPs issued to any/all devices on your network, or just simply use the Oppo's on-screen display to bring up it's network/system settings.

Below is an example image of what this looks like on my Sony machine, on the Oppo 103D this is accessed in the Setup Menu under Network Setup -> Connection Information. The Sony's onscreen display:

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Jot down the IP address issued to the 103D, it needs to be entered into the ISO2DSD software.

Then before launching the ISO2DSD applet, ensure it's folder structure looks like it does in the following image... you can put the ISO2DSD folder anywhere you want including the Desktop (I keep mine in the actual Applications folder), but the important part is you cannot separate out any of it's contents and put that in a different place than the rest of it, it must all stay together within the same folder as shown here:

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The actual ripping applet itself is iso2dsd_gui.jar, and that's the only thing to click on for launch, don't click on the other items in the folder, and also don't move or delete them, all of the items in the folder need to stay in that specific location.

It is at this point a couple of questions about your playback intentions are in order, to best configure ISO2DSD.

What playback software do you use (hopefully JRiver, Audirvana, or Roon)?

Do you playback 2-channel stereo only, as I do, or do you have a need for the multi-channel tracks too?

Assuming 2-channel stereo only, then you don't need to make a complete copy (raw ISO) of the entire disc, and that has multiple benefits.

First, it saves a ton of storage space, as a full ISO of the entire disc can be quite large in size. Second, it also then saves one whole step on the back end, the splitting of the stereo tracks from the multi-channel. Third, the rip takes way less time.

In short, if you only want/need 2-channel stereo playback via JRiver, Audirvana, or Roon, you can just rip straight to .dsf files and skip producing an ISO altogether.

That's what I choose to do, in the interest of storage space, also because I don't even have a multi-channel playback system of any kind, and it saves a bunch of time too. Should anything change down the road, I can always pull out the disc again and rip the multi-channel tracks at that juncture, but right now (and maybe forever) I have no need for the multi-channel content. It should also be noted that plenty of SACDs have no multi-channel content anyway, many are stereo only to begin with.

The settings in ISO2DSD for producing stereo .dsf files directly from the rip over a network are as follows below (just insert the IP address assigned to your Oppo 103D and leave the port as is/2002):

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The last set-up step is to insert the USB thumb drive into the Oppo 103D. The script is read in just a second or two and the disc drawer will open automatically. Load the SACD into the drawer and press close. After a second or two, remove the USB thumb drive.

Then hit the Execute button in ISO2DSD, after a few seconds you should see the rip in progress:

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At the end of the rip, ISO2DSD will indicate "We are done":

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The resulting ripped album folder of .dsf tracks is found within the same folder as the ISO2DSD applet, you can then move that album to wherever you store your music files. Unfortunately, ISO2DSD won't let you choose a different destination folder for the ripped albums, all rips are saved to the same folder location that the ISO2DSD applet resides in and you can't change that, so just move the ripped albums once they are complete:

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Editing the metadata/tags and adding album art cover images can be done within your music player application itself (for instance JRiver) or with the excellent freeware called Kid3.
 
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Nicely done Mike!

For some though (me :)), mention of 'Mac' or i-anything immediately leads to changing the channel. Can you document the procedure using Windows or even Linux as well? A lot to ask I know, but this is so concise and clear, it would be nice if we had instructions to cover all bases.
 

MikeyFresh

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Nicely done Mike!

For some though (me :)), mention of 'Mac' or i-anything immediately leads to changing the channel. Can you document the procedure using Windows or even Linux as well? A lot to ask I know, but this is so concise and clear, it would be nice if we had instructions to cover all bases.

Yes I can Bill, I have a Windows 7 machine with a copy of ISO2DSD on it.

It is possible I could do it using Linux too, though I've never tried it before and there I'd be limited to a Raspberry Pi, I'm not sure if that is a suitable hardware platform.
 

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I've been ripping all my SACDs to DSD for years using the PS-3 method but it's clunky & geeky to say the least - would love to see a concise and noise-free description of how to do it using more 'current' pieces.

Check out this Haven video demo, how does this compare to your old PS3 clunker?


Step 1: Power on Sony S5100

Step 2: Connect USB thumb drive/AutoScript runs/tray opens automatically/place SACD in tray but don't close

Step 3: Power down Sony S5100/tray closes automatically/player sleeps/AutoScript gains root access control

Step 4: Pause while S5100 display flashes OFF/remove USB thumb drive/Execute rip with one click while Sony S5100 sleeps

Note: Sleep mode is only required with Sony brand units and is unnecessary with the various compatible Oppo, Pioneer, or Cambridge model Blu-ray players. You can only enter Sleep mode by first enabling the Quick Start menu setting, which essentially means the Sony power saver feature is defeated (Quick Start enabled = no power saver).
 

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Ripping SACD can be somewhat time consuming given the rather large file sizes involved.

The good news is you only need do it once for any given album, and can then enjoy unlimited playbacks with a few clicks (or touchscreen presses), however each SACD ripping session represents a bit of a time drain.

But what if you could cheat the SACD ripping gods, and get yourself a 2 for 1 deal?

With the cheap Sony Blu-ray machines, thats viable both functionally and financially speaking:


Two separate instances of ISO2DSD (1 Windows & 1 Mac) communicating over two different IPs to rip two different SACDs simultaneously = no conflicts.
 
This spectacular hack is what led me to HiFi Haven in the first place. I can confirm I have it working perfectly using a Sony S5100, and rather than overload my WiFi network, I have the Sony player and my PC communicating over Ethernet via a crossover cable. Awesome work! Best $35 I ever spent on eBay to get one of the players :-)
 

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This spectacular hack is what led me to HiFi Haven in the first place. I can confirm I have it working perfectly using a Sony S5100, and rather than overload my WiFi network, I have the Sony player and my PC communicating over Ethernet via a crossover cable. Awesome work! Best $35 I ever spent on eBay to get one of the players :-)

First, welcome aboard the Haven @sjmat!

That's really great, congratulations on being the first HFH member to report success in ripping SACDs with an inexpensive Sony Blu-ray player!

I like your Ethernet crossover cable tweak/twist, you can probably get close to 3 MB/sec rip speed that way?

Yes your $35 outlay is close to nothing in the grand scheme of all things Hi-Fi, a small price to pay for SACD ripping, good luck with your eBay treasure Sony S5100!
 
Just dropped a cool $27.99 on eBay for a BDP-S390. I've never used a player that bitstreams DSD through HDMI before (I've had 5.1 analog outs on my $75 Pioneer I bought new on clearance at Best Buy circa 2004) so I'm a little excited to try that as well. None of these players on eBay seem to come with a remote. I didn't check to see if they were selling but I noticed a craptonne of OE remotes for these players. Seems like people must be making more selling them separately?

I'm on my way to slowly digitizing all of my physical media.

Does anyone know if these players will rip bluray as well?

Edit:left out a few spaces cause im typing on a fire tablet and the kb kinda sucks
 

MikeyFresh

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Just dropped a cool $27.99 on eBay for a BDP-S390.
Does anyone know if these players will rip bluray as well?

Welcome to HFH! Please feel free to post in the introductions thread telling us a little about yourself and your system.

The S390 is on the SACD ripping compatibility list, and coincidentally, I just bought that exact same model Sony at a local tag sale last weekend.

Mine also came with no remote, though I do have 2 other Sony units that use that same handset, so I was able to get up and running and then ripped an SACD with it last night by borrowing the remote from my S5100.

I have since ordered a replacement remote on Amazon for the S390 just to have on hand, should be delivered Thursday (it cost half as much as the damn player). You could also source a universal remote that has the brand codes for Blu-ray players, that too will work as would other Sony remotes of that same general vintage.

I don't think you can enter the set-up menus in the on-screen display without a remote. That's crucial because to rip SACDs with the S390 you'll need to enable Quick Start mode.

Enabling the Quick Start mode allows the unit to enter stand-by or "sleep" when you power it down, it doesn't actually turn all the way off, only enters stand-by at which point it is "sleeping". Only then can the AutoScript on a USB thumb drive seize root control access to the machine's lean Linux operating system, at which point you can rip SACDs with it.

This is only required with the Sony brand Blu-ray players. The various compatible Oppo, Pioneer, and Cambridge units can all skip that step, but not the Sonys. It's a prerequisite that can only be avoided by use of other tricks such as toggling the Stereo/Multichannel setting, which is more labor intensive and requires the use of the on-screen display menus, the sleep mode is the fastest and easiest way to go about it.

EDIT: Sorry, I read your post too quickly, I see now you are asking about ripping Blu-ray, not SACD. I don't believe these units can rip Blu-ray, though there are other ways to do that, but they involve using a computer Blu-ray optical drive to the best of my knowledge. Off-topic here.
 
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