Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player

MikeyFresh

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Lucky day,
I'm completely new to this forum. 60 of my albums in classical music are SACD. I just started to rip them based on the readings in DSF format. The initial success made me confident. After eighth, two failed. In both cases, he started the first track and then suddenly stopped after a little wait.
I have completely encountered a similar problem in a whole other task and this suggests that the cause of the malfunction is the same here. The creator of DSF files is still not workingving unicode compatible, causing this problem.

The two faulty reports:

DSF output: C:\Users\varad\Documents\sacd_rip\Concerto K�ln Jacobs - Le Nozze di Figaro
Processing [C:\Users\varad\Documents\sacd_rip\Concerto K�ln Jacobs - Le Nozze di Figaro\01 - Concerto K�ln Jacobs - Sinfonia.dsf] (1/20)..
[DONE]

DSF output: C:\Users\varad\Documents\sacd_rip\Marc Minkowski - Gluck Orph�e et Eurydice
Processing [C:\Users\varad\Documents\sacd_rip\Marc Minkowski - Gluck Orph�e et Eurydice\01 - Ouverture.dsf] (1/36)..
[DONE]

- Concerto Köln- and -Gluck Orphée- and there would be more if the track contains a special character (è, ê, ò, à,... in french, german and italian languages). But I can be wrong
Welcome to HFH!

Are these errors the result of using SACDExtractGUI, or ISO2DSD, or does it happen on both?
 
Hello MikeyFresh,

I'm sorry to bother you. I'm just trying the ISO2DSD, so far I used the SACDExtractGUI. I see this works very well.
In reporting windows of the ripper these specials characters look like a small square but in the file commander of the my PC I can see the correct text. Both albums were successfully captured.
Thanks for your help.
 

MikeyFresh

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Hello MikeyFresh,

I'm sorry to bother you. I'm just trying the ISO2DSD, so far I used the SACDExtractGUI. I see this works very well.
In reporting windows of the ripper these specials characters look like a small square but in the file commander of the my PC I can see the correct text. Both albums were successfully captured.
Thanks for your help.
No bother at all, thats great news, and also good valuable feedback for the developer regarding SACDExtractGUI. This is now another instance where the troublesome discs with special characters in the metadata can be ripped successfully using ISO2DSD.
 
No bother at all, thats great news, and also good valuable feedback for the developer regarding SACDExtractGUI. This is now another instance where the troublesome discs with special characters in the metadata can be ripped successfully using ISO2DSD.
Today I spent my whole day ripping. I made nearly 40 albums, some of which contained several discs. Only three failed. In all three cases, extra long names should have been used.
Such as:
1. Processing [C:\Users\varad\Documents\sacd_rip\Anne-Sophie Mutter, New York Philharmonic, Kurt Masur - Ludwig van Beethoven Violin Concerto Romances\01 - Anne-Sophie Mutter, New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Kurt M - Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D major Allegro ma no.dsf] (1/5)..
[DONE]
2. Processing [C:\Users\varad\Documents\sacd_rip\Anne-Sophie Mutter, New York Philharmonic, Kurt Masur - Ludwig van Beethoven Violin Concerto Romances\01 - Anne-Sophie Mutter, New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Kurt M - Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D major Allegro ma no.dsf] (1/5)..
[DONE]
3. In the third case, after ripping two tracks, the third name would have been too long:
Processing [The English Concert, Andrew Manze solo violin and director - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Violin Concertos (1)/03 - The English Concert, Andrew Manze solo violin and director - Concerto in G major, k. 216 - III Rondeau Allegro - Andant.dsf] (3/9)..
> Correctly: III Rondeau: Allegro - Andan[te - Allegretto - Tempo primo ]

BTW, the use of meta data is terrible. I had to edit each album. For example, the last album consisted of 5 pieces of SACD. Ripped names in my mappa:
Martin Haselböck - Liszt Orgelwerke Vol. 1
Martin Haselböck, Orgel - Liszt Orgelwerke Vol. 2
Martin Haselböck - Franz Liszt Orgelwerke, Vol. 3
Martin Haselböck - Franz Liszt Organ Works Vol. 4
Liszt Orgelwerke Vol.5

The used player was Sony BDP-S490
Same results using SACDExtractGUI, or ISO2DSD.
 

MikeyFresh

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BTW, the use of meta data is terrible. I had to edit each album. For example, the last album consisted of 5 pieces of SACD. Ripped names in my mappa:
Martin Haselböck - Liszt Orgelwerke Vol. 1
Martin Haselböck, Orgel - Liszt Orgelwerke Vol. 2
Martin Haselböck - Franz Liszt Orgelwerke, Vol. 3
Martin Haselböck - Franz Liszt Organ Works Vol. 4
Liszt Orgelwerke Vol.5

The used player was Sony BDP-S490
Same results using SACDExtractGUI, or ISO2DSD.
That is some very sloppy disc authoring, very uneven application of the meta data, no real rhyme or reason.

So both SACDExtractGUI and ISO2DSD failed in three cases?
 
Today I got an Sony 4100 with firmware M15.R.0093 and an S5100 with M15.R.0255 up an running. Maybe an idea to add running firmware revisions to the list of BD Players?

Waiting now for the 6200,7200, 490 and 790;) before I will give it a try to test one out of the list.

Is there somewere a developer corner or will this take place here?
 
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MikeyFresh

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Maybe an idea to add running firmware revisions to the list of BD Players?
This was discussed at some point a long time ago in this thread, and at that time it was decided this is unnecessary due to the fact that all known firmwares for all of the listed players/brands are compatible with SACD ripping.

So in order to avoid any confusion or suggestion that only certain firmwares are working, we have decided not to list working firmware versions at least until such time as there are any reports of versions that are not working. Hopefully that day never comes.

Waiting now for the 6200,7200, 490 and 790;) before I will give it a try to test one out of the list.
Those will all work, though the S6200/7200 only with the ARMv7 version of the AutoScript, and a slightly different sleep sequence.

Is there somewere a developer corner or will this take place here?
To date that's been here, although I am not a developer and only have limited access to the real developers via PM. The real developers are very busy people, they don't do this for any sort of monetary gain, and also prefer to maintain somewhat of a low profile. They do not generally make themselves available for all manner of discussion and questions in my experience, and can only spend so much time on feature requests, package upgrades, and bug fixes.
 

MikeyFresh

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Yes, I remember trying each one in two ways.
OK the developer (mindset) has identified a problem with the handling of special characters in both sacd_extract 3.9, and also how the GUI displays that processing information. Fix is on the way!

This issue seems to only affect the Windows version, so in the meantime if you have access to a Mac or Linux machine, please try to rip any problem discs on one of those platforms as it should work, and please do report any problems you may encounter with special characters on Mac/Linux, if any.
 
Hi Guys,

I must have failed the intelligence test. :( I have looked through all these threads and can't find the AutoScript file or link to it for the Sony machines. A pointer of where to look would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. :)

Cheers,
Alan
 

MikeyFresh

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Hi Alan,

Welcome to HFH!

Page 2, Post #26 is where you'll find the AutoScript. Are you using Windows, Mac, or Linux?

We have seen uneven behavior from Mac and Windows regarding the DropBox interface, Macs seem to have no issue and produce the full enclosing folder called AutoScript when using the Download button as shown in the screenshot in Post #26. However some Windows installs want to zip that folder for download (even though it is downright tiny) and upon unzipping, some people then seem to have only the folder's contents, and not the actual enclosing folder itself.

If that happens just create an enclosing folder called AutoScript, and place those unzipped contents into it.
 
Hi

In the past, I've paid someone to rip SACDs for me. Now, acquired a S4100 and intend to start ripping some SACDs to stereo and multi-channel flac in the next few days. It's great to know I can buy more and rip them myself. The advice here is just what I needed to get started. Many thanks for that.

It's just a shame that the format hasn't really taken off, in a big way, as some of the best sounding flac files I have are ripped and converted from SACD. Now I'm getting into surround sound, I regret not buying more SACDs when they were first released. What put me off was that they weren't easy to rip and I didn't want to buy an expensive SACD player when I'd already invested in a top notch network music player (and previously a long ago traded in CD player).

Regards, John
 

MikeyFresh

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n the past, I've paid someone to rip SACDs for me. Now, acquired a S4100 and intend to start ripping some SACDs to stereo and multi-channel flac in the next few days. It's great to know I can buy more and rip them myself. The advice here is just what I needed to get started. Many thanks for that.
Hi John - welcome to HFH!

Well pay no more, now you are the SACD ripper. Your U.K. model S4100 is a proven unit, it's our pleasure to get you up and running ripping your own SACDs, and now inclined to buy more.

It's just a shame that the format hasn't really taken off
That is a shame, and now we're just left with Mobile Fidelity, Analogue Productions, a few other boutique labels, as well as some limited editions from Japan. I've also bought a few used ones on eBay, but only when they appear to be in mint condition as the used prices are actually quite high on SACDs.

Good luck getting started and let us know if you run into any difficulties.
 
After some testing with support I got the S6200 up and running the A3 method.
Now I am on with the S790 trying the A2 method as the A3 is not running, for known reasons?
Is the A2 the onliest version actually running on the S790 or are there others, which I didn't recognized?
Below the used AutoScript for A2, waiting to see if it is succesfull.

#MTKAT 0.xx script
CLI(CLI_exec cp /mnt/sd*/AutoScript/sacd_extract_6200 /)
CLI(CLI_exec insmod /lib/modules/2.6.35/BDP/splitter.ko)
CLI(CLI_exec /sacd_extract_6200 -S &)
CLI(CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000)
CLI(CLI_exec /mnt/sd*/AutoScript/autorip.sh)
CLI(CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000)

autorip
sleep 50
cd /mnt/sd*/AutoScript
./sacd_extract* -I
 

MikeyFresh

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After some testing with support I got the S6200 up and running the A3 method.
Now I am on with the S790 trying the A2 method as the A3 is not running, for known reasons?
Is the A2 the onliest version actually running on the S790 or are there others, which I didn't recognized?
Below the used AutoScript for A2, waiting to see if it is succesfull.

#MTKAT 0.xx script
CLI(CLI_exec cp /mnt/sd*/AutoScript/sacd_extract_6200 /)
CLI(CLI_exec insmod /lib/modules/2.6.35/BDP/splitter.ko)
CLI(CLI_exec /sacd_extract_6200 -S &)
CLI(CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000)
CLI(CLI_exec /mnt/sd*/AutoScript/autorip.sh)
CLI(CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000)

autorip
sleep 50
cd /mnt/sd*/AutoScript
./sacd_extract* -I
For anyone wondering, this is testing of the so-called AutoRip script (versions A2 and A3) which are so far just in a beta/experimental form.

I had to date on this forum only mentioned them in passing as they are not quite yet ready for prime time, however the gist of it is these AutoRip scripts offer a way to lose the computer, network, Java RE, software GUI, etc from the SACD ripping process and just insert a USB thumb drive into the Blu-ray player, at which point the disc is ripped to that flash drive via a script called AutoRip. Thats all.

The end result is a full ISO archival back-up copy of the disc is written to the thumb drive, though in theory the script could be tweaked or changed to accommodate other types of rips too, eg. DSF output instead of an ISO.

Again, it is still somewhat early beta testing stage, but it will be a reality soon and our own @Nexus3 and @walkaround are testing these AutoRip scripts as noted above. One problem in testing and refining these scripts is that altering them can very easily break them, for instance any alteration attempts on a Mac using TextEdit seem to blow up the world. On Windows it's easier using NotePad, however even there extreme care must be taken in revising the script as proper syntax is critical.

One practical issue is the USB thumb drive needs to have sufficient free storage space to hold the rip(s) you plan to make, and any discs whose total folder size exceeds 4GB can't be written to a thumb drive formatted FAT32 due to that file system's 4GB maximum folder size limit. There are some SACDs containing both stereo and multichannel content that exceed 4GB in size, so to use AutoRip with those discs the flash drive needs to be in NTFS format.
 
Wow! Amazing! Done my first SACD rip on a Sony S4100 - Da Capo by Love in stereo only. Came out at 24/96 after converting DSF to Flac. Listening to it now - sounds great, better than I’ve ever heard it.

I got the proceedure wrong at first and my PC lost its network connection a couple of times. Once I went through the first couple of pages of this thread all became clear and it worked a treat.

Many thanks, Mikey.
 
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.

My set up for ripping is a Sony BDP-S5100 (using fixed IP) which is a wired Ethernet connected to a Netgear GS110TP network switch to which the router, PC and a NAS is connected also via wired Ethernet connection.

I found the quickest way to extract .dsf files from a SACD was to extract the .ISO image first, them use the power of the PC to extract the .dsf files very quickly. Extracting the .ISO from the SACD, ISO2DSD was reporting the transfer rate at typically 3.0 MBs/s, whereas extracting the .dsf files from the disc was usually 2.0MBs/s and sometimes even slower.

If you have lots of SACDs that you want to rip to .dsf files then consider extracting the .ISO first. It will save you a lot of time, albeit at the expense of disc space, but the advantage you get is not only speed but a backup .ISO of your SACD. :)

Cheers,
Alan
 
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