Ryan Adams #metoo'd

John Frum

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NPR: Ryan Adams Accused Of Psychological Manipulation, Professional Retaliation By 7 Women

In perhaps the least surprising news of the year, Ryan Adams has been outed as a serial creeper who ropes in female artists with the lure of mentorship and collaboration, then goes all-in on being a skeevy jerkass. Most damning, the NYT article includes testimony from a woman (whose relationship with Adams was never in-person) who was just 14 when he started grooming her. Since the story broke, Liz Phair and Karen Elson have also come forward.

None of this really seems out of character, though. This history of The Strokes paints him as, in essence, Satan incarnate.

Who's next? Will rock change? How can we reconcile the documented bad behavior (looking worse by the minute in light of changing standards) of the genre's pantheon with our enjoyment of the music? Will we ever find out what a winding wheel is?
 

JohnVF

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So I now have even more reason to not stand Ryan Adams?

When this news broke two days ago one of my best friends, a former music critic, messaged me with the gist of "FINALLY". I never got why this dude was put up with for so long. His music was a cloying pastiche of the most trite country-fried cliches and affectations, on top of that he was a total asshole on stage, disrespectful of every audience member I ever talked to who saw him, and just a crap human being all round. And that's the nice stuff I have to say about how I feel about him.
 

Thermionics

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So I now have even more reason to not stand Ryan Adams?

When this news broke two days ago one of my best friends, a former music critic, messaged me with the gist of "FINALLY". I never got why this dude was put up with for so long. His music was a cloying pastiche of the most trite country-fried cliches and affectations, on top of that he was a total asshole on stage, disrespectful of every audience member I ever talked to who saw him, and just a crap human being all round. And that's the nice stuff I have to say about how I feel about him.
Thankfully, I've never actually put much thought towards Ryan Adams. I don't think I'd know his music if someone came up to me and played it. But it sounds like he is a complete asshole.
 

JohnVF

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Thankfully, I've never actually put much thought towards Ryan Adams. I don't think I'd know his music if someone came up to me and played it. But it sounds like he is a complete asshole.
My college girlfriend was really really into his music. She saw him once. He played for about 20 minutes, absolutely plastered, yelled at the audience for not clapping when he came out, yelled at the sound guy. Turned his back for the songs he played, didn't like the sound, and stormed off. How did his career last almost 20 more years?
 

MikeT.

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Thankfully, I've never actually put much thought towards Ryan Adams. I don't think I'd know his music if someone came up to me and played it. But it sounds like he is a complete asshole.
+1 Who’s Ryan Adams? I’m not kidding.
 

JohnVF

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+1 Who’s Ryan Adams? I’m not kidding.
You're not missing anything. He was quite popular in not-too-far-underground indie/alt-country circles around the turn of the century and then again recently because he did a cover of Taylor Swift's album 1969 in its entirety, doing a sincere acoustic sorta-country-folk-vibe take on the whole thing that was well received by hipsters who weren't quite as hip as they liked to think they were. Can you tell I can't stand him?
 

John Frum

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I'll cop to liking the Whiskeytown stuff, Heartbreaker, and the first two Cardinals records, begrudgingly accepting that I kinda sorta liked some Ryan Adams material after being taken with the Cold Roses album.

Of course, he's been incredibly prolific, and most of his output hasn't floated my boat. Also, I've never been under any illusions about him not being a complete asshole.

Will I ever listen to his music again? Probably. Will I pay money for the privilege, or do so without thinking of the exact nature and depths of his personal shittiness? Probably not.
 

mred

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I have liked a fair anount of his music thru the yeas, but never bought any due to listening to a couple interviews on local radio and sensing a real a hole coming across.
 

kirk57

Junior Member
By all accounts an asshole.

I did like his album ‘Rock and Roll’ but that was a departure from his usual material.
I saw him a few months after that album came out and he played *nothing* from it.
 

mhardy6647

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He's one of those guys whose name I recognize and who I kind of know who he is, but I always think he's someone else. There's like a whole genre of interchangeable musicians to me. Amusingly, the Vulture link above name-checks a bunch of them (including comments from a few of 'em). :)
 

JohnVF

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Cuts like a Knife is top notch pop/rock, however. Don't knock it until you were the exact right age to hit it in its prime.
 

JohnVF

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I prefer the original dude. It just is what it is, doesn't try to be cloyingly sincere or ironic. Just, hey, this is a fun pop song. (25 year old indie snob me is spinning in his pile of small label releases).

 

Prime Minister

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I prefer the original dude. It just is what it is, doesn't try to be cloyingly sincere or ironic. Just, hey, this is a fun pop song. (25 year old indie snob me is spinning in his pile of small label releases).

But you didn't grow up in Canada, where Canadian content rules meant that it was played to death. Just non stop. It was horrible.
 

Audionut

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I’m not one to judge on appearance but the guy does look like a perp! A guilty one at that.
The end of the article brings to mind the saying; “absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
 

mhardy6647

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Cuts like a Knife is top notch pop/rock, however. Don't knock it until you were the exact right age to hit it in its prime.
ahh, that is the guy! I like that song, too... it's, like, fifty years old or something, innit? ;)

I was thinkin' it was the Walkin' in Memphis guy... or the Sex and Candy guy... there's on the order of a dozen male singers/songwriters/performers that are interchangeable in my aural memory.

-- and I like all three of those songs, heck there's a verse in Walkin' in Memphis that gives me chills when I hear it.

Now Muriel plays piano
Every Friday at the Hollywood
And they brought me down to see her
And they asked me if I would
Do a little number
And I sang with all my might
She said
"Tell me are you a Christian child?"
And I said "Ma'am, I am tonight"
 
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