Speaker Cables, Trying a Few Things

mhardy6647

Señor Member
Vermont!?!
Did I know you were a Woodchuck*?
I can look out my window and see Vermont. Well, actually, I have to go a little further up the hill to see it -- but I know it's still there when I come down to our house.

Heck, the sun here sets over Vermont purt' near ever' night!

016 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

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* OK, I probably did, and forgot -- forgetting's getting to be a core competency for me nowadays. :confused:
 
Vermont!?!
Did I know you were a Woodchuck*?
I can look out my window and see Vermont. Well, actually, I have to go a little further up the hill to see it -- but I know it's still there when I come down to our house.

Heck, the sun here sets over Vermont purt' near ever' night!

016 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

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* OK, I probably did, and forgot -- forgetting's getting to be a core competency for me nowadays. :confused:

Hehe yep as you pointed out I think you knew 😁 I was actually finally able to get my vaccine this past week! 30s age group didn't come around for a while... I'd be really excited about getting together with another Havenite and listening to some tunes if the mood ever strikes you!
 

mhardy6647

Señor Member
Hehe yep as you pointed out I think you knew 😁 I was actually finally able to get my vaccine this past week! 30s age group didn't come around for a while... I'd be really excited about getting together with another Havenite and listening to some tunes if the mood ever strikes you!
I'm sure I did. :o
I hope I didn't use my sad excuse of a Sarah Palin joke parody before, too. :p

I got my second Pfizzer dose last Tuesday, so I am ready to Roomba rhumba rock 'n' roll in a l'il less than two weeks! :smoke

I do hope all the folks that've recently bought that Belden cable like it! :confused::o
 
Well, I hope you guys are proud of yourselves.

You've managed to lead yet another wide-eyed innocent down the garden path, no, make that two garden paths.

25ft. of Belden 9497 and 50ft. of 12ga. mil-spec are now heading my way.

I swear, threads like this one should really come with a trigger warning.
 

JohnVF

Administrator
Staff member
I got my Belden in the mail but haven't tried it. Given how its wound there must be 20 -25' of wire in this 10' length, I wonder if that's what people are liking? A relatively thin long wire seems would leave a sonic impact?
 
Many years back a group of SMAC audio club friends came over to my place and brought their high end and low brow speaker cables. We did a lot of switching around and comparing.

In the end my home depot out door extension cords won the day. Go figure.
 

JohnVF

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Staff member
I’ve had about a week to try my new cables and haven’t. I think I’m giving away how much I’ve come to care about cable differences...

I’ll get to it I swear!
 
I’ve had about a week to try my new cables and haven’t. I think I’m giving away how much I’ve come to care about cable differences...

I’ll get to it I swear!
cables are good for when you just WANT to try something, want to see if a tweak slightly improves things, without spending the price of a component (or spending anything if you pull a cable out of your stash).

ps yes i am overlooking those cables which cost as much or more as a component - those don't touch my world.
 
Since everyone is posting updates I'll chime in just to say that I did use the newly acquired Belden to make all the connections in my 414 + 802 setup... Alas, since it's all new to me I have no basis for comparison. Looks tidy where it comes out of the cab to the horns though, and sounds great! Only complaint is that the twist makes it harder to strip the wire ends. 😁
 

MWalt

Active Member
I compared a set of Morrow Audio SP3 speaker leads vs. Canare 4S11 Star Quad 11 AWG vs. Yardmaster white lightning. I like the SP3 best by a very slight margin over the Yardmaster. They both sound better to me than the Canare. I may try the mil spec and the Beldon next.
 
I compared a set of Morrow Audio SP3 speaker leads vs. Canare 4S11 Star Quad 11 AWG vs. Yardmaster white lightning. I like the SP3 best by a very slight margin over the Yardmaster. They both sound better to me than the Canare. I may try the mil spec and the Beldon next.
interesting results. speaker cables are an area where cost is not a good indicator of performance.
 

Wntrmute2

Not So Mediocre Member
Since everyone is posting updates I'll chime in just to say that I did use the newly acquired Belden to make all the connections in my 414 + 802 setup... Alas, since it's all new to me I have no basis for comparison. Looks tidy where it comes out of the cab to the horns though, and sounds great! Only complaint is that the twist makes it harder to strip the wire ends. 😁
There are nylon tipped pliers that are made for straightening wire that I've been using to facilitate just that. There are also similar ones that have "duck-bill" jaws that work nicely too. I got a couple of different pairs from the local bead store.
Pliers
 
There are nylon tipped pliers that are made for straightening wire that I've been using to facilitate just that. There are also similar ones that have "duck-bill" jaws that work nicely too. I got a couple of different pairs from the local bead store.
Pliers
thanks for the helpful post.

ps these should be marketed as "audiophile pliers" and marked up 1000%.
 
There are nylon tipped pliers that are made for straightening wire that I've been using to facilitate just that. There are also similar ones that have "duck-bill" jaws that work nicely too. I got a couple of different pairs from the local bead store.
Pliers

Ah that will be great to have for next time! I imagine it wouldn't have felt so tedious if I was just stripping a few ends for a pair of wires from speakers to receiver but populating the speakers with wire for the woofers and the horns, terminals to the crossover, etc... turned into a bit of a slog!

Thanks for the recommendation
 
After wrestling with (and losing the fight - only one black eye but no holes in woofers) my pair of XLO Reference cables it's time for me to start the experimenting too. While large and thus heavy speakers are difficult to manage and move around at times, these XLO's are like fighting a Kraken. but they do sound outstanding once connected and repairs made to the surrounding room and guests bandaged up.
 

MikeyFresh

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After wrestling with (and losing the fight - only one black eye but no holes in woofers) my pair of XLO Reference cables it's time for me to start the experimenting too. While large and thus heavy speakers are difficult to manage and move around at times, these XLO's are like fighting a Kraken. but they do sound outstanding once connected and repairs made to the surrounding room and guests bandaged up.
Good ole' Type 5 eh?

The purple and gray Type 5.1 Signature was an even stiffer SOB to wrestle. Ridiculous actually.
 
interesting results. speaker cables are an area where cost is not a good indicator of performance.

Yes and no for all cables. I highly suggest anyone looking into cables consider OCC copper over OFC. The grains of OFC are audible and sound almost exactly as you'd expect it to. OCC is forged differently and basically creates one long crystal of copper that smooths out the transmission line, which in turns 'smooths' out the sound as well.

Every element of the cable design will change the sound and that is why you can't quite go off price as a full indicator of quality. In my systems I prefer the Wireworld Silver Eclipse ($700) over the Platinum Eclipse ($3,000), but the Platinum Eclipse is a better cable. The qualities it brings to the table just don't jive well with what I do here. This trial has been completed with a handful of clients and they all come to the same result.

It is true that there are only a handful of conductor suppliers in the world so you aren't getting different conductor in most cases. It is the geometry, materials, and construction done afterwards that provides different sounds. Differences in prices generally reflect not only the difference in material cost, but also the labor cost or machining cost. These extra costs don't always equate to better sound, especially when you compare cables between different designers.
 
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