Spotify launching 'HiFi' lossless streaming later this year

JohnVF

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they dont need to inject a chip into our brains to figure out our thoughts - they can just monitor what we type.
Next thing you tell me is that they don't need to track me with the chip in my vaccine because they can track my phone.
 

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Next thing you tell me is that they don't need to track me with the chip in my vaccine because they can track my phone.
the price of having access to a lot of information is allowing access to a lot of information, right?
 

JohnVF

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the price of having access to a lot of information is allowing access to a lot of information, right?
I'd hate to be the person whose job it is to digitally spy on me. "Oh lord he's playing angry birds again at 4am, doesn't he know there's 10 years worth of newer apps?"
 

MikeyFresh

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I'd hate to be the person whose job it is to digitally spy on me. "Oh lord he's playing angry birds again at 4am, doesn't he know there's 10 years worth of newer apps?"
Yeah man, like Candy Crush Saga, get with the times!

I understand they've developed special coding that prevents it from being tracked, the encryption even defeats the vaccine chip.
:panic
 

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And now will Apple be entering the fray?
Now more evidence that this is a real thing, as reported by 9to5Google.

Much like those earlier reports that showed evidence in the iOS14.6 beta, there is also now what appears to be clear indication of lossless audio coming to the Apple Music app for Android (which I didn't even know was a thing), in their 3.6.0 beta release.

Unlike the references seen in that iOS14.6 beta, this new information appears to include two additional details, that being lossless available not only for streaming but also for download, and here's the kicker... two different tiers:
Lossless
ALAC up to 24-bit/48 kHz
High-Res Lossless
ALAC up to 24-bit/192 kHz

I'll believe it when I see it, and sometimes something spotted in the beta never actually sees the light of day. I'm skeptical only because this doesn't match what that iOS beta was showing, but I guess it is possible that Apple will want to control the user experience more rigidly on their own platform, where they've always been rather strict about battery consumption and how they know best what the end-user wants or needs. Maybe they are less control-freakish in that regard with their software running on Android devices?

Other sources are reporting this announcement won't wait for the Apple WWDC 2021 on June 7th as previously thought, and could be as early as this coming Tuesday May 18th in conjunction with another new version of the AirPods, and that this tier of Apple Music might only be made available for certain MFi certified hardware on the iOS platform.
 

JoeThePop

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Now more evidence that this is a real thing, as reported by 9to5Google.

Much like those earlier reports that showed evidence in the iOS14.6 beta, there is also now what appears to be clear indication of lossless audio coming to the Apple Music app for Android (which I didn't even know was a thing), in their 3.6.0 beta release.

Unlike the references seen in that iOS14.6 beta, this new information appears to include two additional details, that being lossless available not only for streaming but also for download, and here's the kicker... two different tiers:




I'll believe it when I see it, and sometimes something spotted in the beta never actually sees the light of day. I'm skeptical only because this doesn't match what that iOS beta was showing, but I guess it is possible that Apple will want to control the user experience more rigidly on their own platform, where they've always been rather strict about battery consumption and how they know best what the end-user wants or needs. Maybe they are less control-freakish in that regard with their software running on Android devices?

Other sources are reporting this announcement won't wait for the Apple WWDC 2021 on June 7th as previously thought, and could be as early as this coming Tuesday May 18th in conjunction with another new version of the AirPods, and that this tier of Apple Music might only be made available for certain MFi certified hardware on the iOS platform.

Stay tuned.
 

JohnVF

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Now more evidence that this is a real thing, as reported by 9to5Google.

Much like those earlier reports that showed evidence in the iOS14.6 beta, there is also now what appears to be clear indication of lossless audio coming to the Apple Music app for Android (which I didn't even know was a thing), in their 3.6.0 beta release.

Unlike the references seen in that iOS14.6 beta, this new information appears to include two additional details, that being lossless available not only for streaming but also for download, and here's the kicker... two different tiers:



I'll believe it when I see it, and sometimes something spotted in the beta never actually sees the light of day. I'm skeptical only because this doesn't match what that iOS beta was showing, but I guess it is possible that Apple will want to control the user experience more rigidly on their own platform, where they've always been rather strict about battery consumption and how they know best what the end-user wants or needs. Maybe they are less control-freakish in that regard with their software running on Android devices?

Other sources are reporting this announcement won't wait for the Apple WWDC 2021 on June 7th as previously thought, and could be as early as this coming Tuesday May 18th in conjunction with another new version of the AirPods, and that this tier of Apple Music might only be made available for certain MFi certified hardware on the iOS platform.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to kneecap Spotify on high res. No other big player has tried it, and it’s their one chance. Apple Music isn’t exactly lighting up people’s imagination- use it or lose it.
 

MikeyFresh

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I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to kneecap Spotify on high res. No other big player has tried it, and it’s their one chance. Apple Music isn’t exactly lighting up people’s imagination- use it or lose it.
It looks like they just might, though I'm still not understanding all of the indications that this will coincide with a new version of AirPods, which are currently lossy and limited to AAC256.

Even if a new version were to be "lossless" that would still likely mean at best aptX HD at 24/48, and even that isn't truly lossless, but rather, "perceptually lossless". If so and Apple's aim in part is to sell more AirPods, then there would be no real reason for a hi-res tier, unless of course other new hardware like a revised HomePod, or even MFi licensed 3rd party powered speakers were also imminent. I'd guess those would work not via Bluetooth, but more likely AirPlay2, or maybe both (either).

This rumor also suggests the pricing for Apple Music HiFi lossless will start at the current $9.99/mo. of their lossy service, undercutting Spotify, Qobuz, and TIDAL.
 

JohnVF

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It looks like they just might, though I'm still not understanding all of the indications that this will coincide with a new version of AirPods, which are currently lossy and limited to AAC256.

Even if a new version were to be "lossless" that would still likely mean at best aptX HD at 24/48, and even that isn't truly lossless, but rather, "perceptually lossless". If so and Apple's aim in part is to sell more AirPods, then there would be no real reason for a hi-res tier, unless of course other new hardware like a revised HomePod, or even MFi licensed 3rd party powered speakers were also imminent. I'd guess those would work not via Bluetooth, but more likely AirPlay2, or maybe both (either).

This rumor also suggests the pricing for Apple Music HiFi lossless will start at the current $9.99/mo. of their lossy service, undercutting Spotify, Qobuz, and TIDAL.
I hadn’t thought about them using high res to sell products. That sounds like a very Apple thing to do, to declare their products high res ready like they’re the only ones doing it, because nobody else is saying it despite having the same or better capability. Note I say this as an Apple user— I use their products because I find them to work more effortlessly and intuitively. But they really have a knack for selling people something everybody else has been doing, as something new.
 
My wife signed up for an “Apple bundle“ with Apple Music. When I try to stream a “radio station“ thru the MacMini, it will play about a half dozen songs and then stops and I have to start it again. I don’t listen to it much, but if it goes CD quality, I might have to revisit the problem.
 

MikeyFresh

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According to this article, a Reddit user claims to have accessed the Spotify HiFi menu ahead of the actual launch due to a glitch in the iOS version of the app:


Other reports indicate Spotify is scrambling to offer HiFi as soon as June, which is the anticipated date that Apple will roll out their lossless service in some markets.

Still no word on pricing with Spotify, and they have been backed into a tough spot there by both Apple and Amazon. It doesn't make too much sense for Spotify to actually engage in an un-winable price war with deep-pocketed competitors, they have a huge lead in paid subs right now, so keeping their price higher and hoping their subscribers won't defect en masse on price and/or lossless alone seems to be the consensus for what they'll do initially.
 

JohnVF

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If Spotify is $15 and Apple $10, for the same resolution, I’d stick with Spotify. It’s $5. I paid that for coffee and a donut this morning. Apple has enough of the world and I like my “Daily Mixes just for you”.
 

MikeyFresh

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If Spotify is $15 and Apple $10, for the same resolution, I’d stick with Spotify. It’s $5. I paid that for coffee and a donut this morning. Apple has enough of the world and I like my “Daily Mixes just for you”.
I think a lot pf people would agree, and though Apple will offer hi-res at that price, many (most?) of those same people won't care, not when they've been getting along just fine with MP3 to date.

Further, unless one owns certain MFi certified hardware, you won't be able to get anything besides 24/48 from Apple Music anyway, and I saw a post yesterday from one of the Moode developers indicating it looks like AirPlay2 will also be limited to 24/48. So Apple's 24/192 will be limited to USB out of a computer, or via a CCK out of an iOS device to a compatible portable DAC, using only specific apps such as Onkyo HF Player. Most people will take a hard pass on that.

While I personally have never been too enamored with software making recommendations and playlists for me, I admit I've not ever really given it too much of a chance either.

I'm curious if anyone can get the same trick/glitch described by the Reddit user to work on iOS, something to the effect of rapidly tap on the “glitched icon” as the app launches, and then find the HiFi menu. This would also then require the selection of a "HiFi compatible device", I'm assuming they mean via Spotify Connect.
 

JohnVF

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Yes that’s probably Spotify Connect. Which I’m assuming is the little icon I click in the app to change where the sound comes out. It works well.

I read a headline yesterday touting that Apple Lossless was compatible with their HomePod. I wouldn’t risk $5 on a bet that I could differentiate between high res, even 24/192 (which it won’t do) on a HomePod and MP3 quality.
 

MikeyFresh

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Yes that’s probably Spotify Connect. Which I’m assuming is the little icon I click in the app to change where the sound comes out. It works well.

I read a headline yesterday touting that Apple Lossless was compatible with their HomePod. I wouldn’t risk $5 on a bet that I could differentiate between high res, even 24/192 (which it won’t do) on a HomePod and MP3 quality.
I'd like to try a HomePod in a room/setting I'm familiar with, I've never heard one anywhere except inside The Apple Store, which is meaningless.

I've been told they are surprisingly good sounding in a smaller room when setup properly, and that a fair amount of engineering and technology went into the design. Apparently no one cared, they were being discounted almost immediately, which is rare for an Apple product.
 

JohnVF

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I'd like to try a HomePod in a room/setting I'm familiar with, I've never heard one anywhere except inside The Apple Store, which is meaningless.

I've been told they are surprisingly good sounding in a smaller room when setup properly, and that a fair amount of engineering and technology went into the design. Apparently no one cared, they were being discounted almost immediately, which is rare for an Apple product.
There’s the small thing about it looking exactly like a roll of toilet paper.
 

MikeyFresh

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not completely on specific topic, but on the general discussion of streaming and artists being paid etc

Fascinating stuff, well worth the time to absorb, much of it what we've been discussing in various threads here for some time now. I was particularly interested in the part about the U.K. potentially treating the record labels and/or the conglomerates they are owned by as oligopolies.
 

JohnVF

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not completely on specific topic, but on the general discussion of streaming and artists being paid etc

Excellent reading. I’ll go back and listen to the rest but - pretty damning. I knew most of that but to see it all spelled out so clearly in one place, it just makes me want to solely listen to used records so the streamers and labels see nothing.
 
If Spotify is $15 and Apple $10, for the same resolution, I’d stick with Spotify. It’s $5. I paid that for coffee and a donut this morning. Apple has enough of the world and I like my “Daily Mixes just for you”.

Spotify's GUI and music selected for you algorithm are worth the extra coin. I'll definitely give the lossless service a go.
 
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