The Covid-19 thread.

mred

Senior Member
I am lucky to still be working, Houston is shut down with stay in place order. My area is still the no bars restaurants or gatherings over 10 people. Otherwise normal. A lot folks working from home and schools closed.
Our shop is semi busy, day to day it varies.
Some people seem oblivious and don't follow any protocol for distancing or respecting your space, most are pretty good and a few are down right paranoid.
We are disinfecting after each customer and doing the best we can with the cars before and after to wipe them down.
Tempted to spray Lysol all over the next person that comes in, leans over the counter and starts talking into my work space.
 

Pat McGinty

Senior Member
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I'm sure that if I lived in NYC and owned a summer home up here in the 1000 Islands, I'd head up too. Each year locals have mixed feelings since there is a always a bit of a culture clash. The running joke is "When you look in the rear view mirror and see you're being tailgated by a BMW 8 series, you know: they're heeeeeeeeeeeeere."

Of course, the first thing they do is run into the market and grab toilet paper. And everything else. Things were OK, but it's suddenly getting sparse.

The administrator of our paltry, little hospital is sweating bullets.

All I can say is - please do the right thing - while you're here, spend lots and lots of money.
 
Here in The Netherlands we are right in the danger phase here here this is the worse phase now....however, we had lockdown, we are socially distancing , people have been sensible and have not gone in for panic buying . There are no social gatherings, people are doing all they can to look after each other. The government's aim is people first, then, we try to look at the economy. Hospitals here are working hard but, the Dutch all have health insurance and have been investing in health care for the last 50 plus years. It is scary but,this is the land I am glad I'm in a crisis.
 
All fine here, at home and covered for the work outage for the duration, however long it is. I’m abiding by the rules and have been fine. I expect this to continue on my part until directed otherwise.
 
It looks as if we have had the first case in my family. My stepson who works at the local NATO base here in NL has had covid19. It seems to have been one of the milder cases as he has had a heavy flu like sympoms but the symptoms do match those prescribed. He is very tired from it but has come through OK without needing help.
 

Olson_jr

Active Member
It looks as if we have had the first case in my family. My stepson who works at the local NATO base here in NL has had covid19. It seems to have been one of the milder cases as he has had a heavy flu like sympoms but the symptoms do match those prescribed. He is very tired from it but has come through OK without needing help.
Best of luck to your stepson and to everyone else suffering and worrying.
 

JohnVF

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Staff member
That's interesting

Actually, I think I'v been alive for around 7 or 8 world pandemics, the last one being in 2009 H1N1

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age.

Then of course there was SARS-CoV in 2003, no biggie, but that killed a bunch of people also.
Another one was Ebola virus in 1976 and it's seems to be recurring often, at least the past few years.

I'm sure I could spend the day talking about those deaths counting one by one all day long, but we wont.


Still is, that's our common seasonal flu, in fact we better not talk about all those deaths well into the 60,000+ in the U.S. alone this year.

The 1% death rate for this only holds until ventilators run out. Then it approaches somewhere between 7-10% given what we've seen in Italy and now Spain. The infection rate, being a novel virus, is higher than any flu. Extrapolate using grade school math (keep up) and you quickly get into the MILLIONS of deaths in the US in a few months unless you reduce the infection rate from each person to below infecting one other person. Unchecked its more than 3 people infected per infected person, higher than the flu. Exponential spread.

SARS death rate was closer to 30%. But, you see, its symptoms occurred almost immediately and rapidly killed the infected. So...it DIDN'T SPREAD.

H5N1 killed tens of thousands BUT its morbidity rate was a fraction of what we believe COVID 19's to be.

This is my polite way of saying that you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're good at repeating things you've read elsewhere, things that I've seen posted verbatim by other people without an ounce of personal input or interpretation ... suggesting you're just repeating from a certain echo chamber we're all well aware of.
 
The 1% death rate for this only holds until ventilators run out. Then it approaches somewhere between 7-10% given what we've seen in Italy and now Spain. The infection rate, being a novel virus, is higher than any flu. Extrapolate using grade school math (keep up) and you quickly get into the MILLIONS of deaths in the US in a few months unless you reduce the infection rate from each person to below infecting one other person. Unchecked its more than 3 people infected per infected person, higher than the flu. Exponential spread.

SARS death rate was closer to 30%. But, you see, its symptoms occurred almost immediately and rapidly killed the infected. So...it DIDN'T SPREAD.

H5N1 killed tens of thousands BUT its morbidity rate was a fraction of what we believe COVID 19's to be.

This is my polite way of saying that you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're good at repeating things you've read elsewhere, things that I've seen posted verbatim by other people without an ounce of personal input or interpretation ... suggesting you're just repeating from a certain echo chamber we're all well aware of.

I read your reply and it leads me to one question......Just what exactly IS your expertise in this field.....Please inform us I'm anxious for you to tell us .......
 
I read your reply and it leads me to one question......Just what exactly IS your expertise in this field.....Please inform us I'm anxious for you to tell us .......
I don't disagree with with what @JohnVF has said - that other poster's comments such as "put on your big boy boots and get back to work" (different forum) doesn't work with me. What is going on in New York today is crazy. I'll side with caution and plan for the worse case and not at all try to provide any political or other opinion on the subject.

We should all be talking about how this is hitting us personally - such as your Netherlands stories which I find interesting.
 

JohnVF

Administrator
Staff member
I read your reply and it leads me to one question......Just what exactly IS your expertise in this field.....Please inform us I'm anxious for you to tell us .......
I can read and know what is and isn't a reliable source. Facts aren't subjective. I don't are what your political beliefs are, you don't get to make reality to whatever it is you want.

Please tell me what that I wrote is wrong. It's all based on what is currently known about the disease, and current infectious modeling of it based on the best of what is currently known.
 

JohnVF

Administrator
Staff member
I don't disagree with with what @JohnVF has said - that other poster's comments such as "put on your big boy boots and get back to work" (different forum) doesn't work with me. What is going on in New York today is crazy. I'll side with caution and plan for the worse case and not at all try to provide any political or other opinion on the subject.

We should all be talking about how this is hitting us personally - such as your Netherlands stories which I find interesting.
Beyond that, we he posted came with a good deal of Dunning Kruger. He said things that he thought sounded smart on a gut level, when they were logically flawed. Basing our approach to this disease based on what is happening at the beginning of its spread is absurd. "It's only killed 20,000! Flu kills 60,000!" ...and? So what. Flu won't kill millions in a year. This easily could kill millions in months. But sure, lets base our actions on the behavior of something at the beginning of an exponential curve and not at its peak.
 
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