The Covid-19 thread.

fiddlefye

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That’s interesting.
I do think, with no proof, that many more people have been infected than we know of. Hopefully that fills in the gap?
There seems to be some indication that some of those who have a very strong reaction to their first dose of the vaccine may in some (many?) instances have had previous exposure to the virus itself without being aware of it. Katrina and I both had a really strong reaction to our first dose of AstraZeneca and also both had a period of odd intermittent very mild fever over the course of a few days early on in the pandemic period. Was there a relationship there? Were we infected early on, but unaware? I guess we'll never get beyond speculation on that.
 

MikeyFresh

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There seems to be some indication that some of those who have a very strong reaction to their first dose of the vaccine may in some (many?) instances have had previous exposure to the virus itself without being aware of it. Katrina and I both had a really strong reaction to our first dose of AstraZeneca and also both had a period of odd intermittent very mild fever over the course of a few days early on in the pandemic period. Was there a relationship there? Were we infected early on, but unaware? I guess we'll never get beyond speculation on that.
That is interesting. While I had almost no reaction to the Pfizer vaccine beyond a sore injection spot and some fatigue over about 2 days afterwards, I too had one odd weekend of fever, and bad headache early on in the pandemic (late Feb. 2020) that suddenly went away with no further symptoms.

I mostly slept that weekend and didn't eat very much, and thought I had a sore throat coming on too, so I took that Monday off from work even though I was already feeling better than I had over that weekend, when I had taken Tylenol to address the fever.

Then it all went away entirely just as suddenly as it had come on, no sore throat, no headache, no stuffy head, no other cold symptoms, no loss of taste or smell, so I went to work that Tuesday and didn't think anything more of it. At some point when the real shit hit the fan in the NY area in March and April I had thought about going for an antibody test, but decided the best thing to do was just hunker down instead.

So I'll never know if I might have actually had COVID as early as February 2020, but it seems not unlikely given the very odd circumstances I experienced with not feeling well over about 3 days in late February, which directly followed having been out to dinner with friends in Manhattan and Brooklyn the previous weekend.
 

Andyman

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More anecdotal news from MI. We went to Costco today to get our annual glasses and spent a couple hours shopping. I am happy to report that the vast majority, perhaps 90%+ were masked.

One really had to look to find the occasional unmasked face, and I saw no evidence of anyone challenging anyone about masks anywhere. And I would say that a good chunk of the unmasked were 60+ and probably vaccinated, as that demographic is the most vaccinated here with 70%+ fully vaccinated.

That's like the 5th surprising experience I have had with masks indoors in public, so it appears as long as I stay away from bars, folks are exceeding my expectations here.
 
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fiddlefye

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That is interesting. While I had almost no reaction to the Pfizer vaccine beyond a sore injection spot and some fatigue over about 2 days afterwards, I too had one odd weekend of fever, and bad headache early on in the pandemic (late Feb. 2020) that suddenly went away with no further symptoms.

I mostly slept that weekend and didn't eat very much, and thought I had a sore throat coming on too, so I took that Monday off from work even though I was already feeling better than I had over that weekend, when I had taken Tylenol to address the fever.

Then it all went away entirely just as suddenly as it had come on, no sore throat, no headache, no stuffy head, no other cold symptoms, no loss of taste or smell, so I went to work that Tuesday and didn't think anything more of it. At some point when the real shit hit the fan in the NY area in March and April I had thought about going for an antibody test, but decided the best thing to do was just hunker down instead.

So I'll never know if I might have actually had COVID as early as February 2020, but it seems not unlikely given the very odd circumstances I experienced with not feeling well over about 3 days in late February, which directly followed having been out to dinner with friends in Manhattan and Brooklyn the previous weekend.
Katrina and I both thought an antibody test would have been a good idea, but at the time they were not only not reliable, but also virtually impossible to access.
 

JohnVF

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My doctor said that if you had a positive antibody test, it was around 99% accurate, but if you had a negative one, it was like 60% accurate and declining from there the farther from the event it got. So if you tested positive, you knew you had it, but if you tested negative, it could go either way and didn't mean a whole lot...varied by the person's immune system and how long ago. At least with the tests he had available late last year.
 

fiddlefye

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My doctor said that if you had a positive antibody test, it was around 99% accurate, but if you had a negative one, it was like 60% accurate and declining from there the farther from the event it got. So if you tested positive, you knew you had it, but if you tested negative, it could go either way and didn't mean a whole lot...varied by the person's immune system and how long ago. At least with the tests he had available late last year.
At the time the accuracy of the test was rather a moot point anyway as I could find no means of accessing one. . It would have been interesting to have known, but given neither of us were ever really ill and (if infected) we didn't get to the point of passing anything on.
 

JohnVF

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We went downtown last night to a favorite cocktail bar. At the door they asked if we were vaccinated... a first. And we are. Turns out they’re a “fully vaccinated establishment” and to have that apparently official status all staff and customers have to be vaccinated to get in. They didn’t check our cards, I guess we looked like the vaccinated type, plus we didn’t erroneously whine about our hipaa rights.

And to that I say “good”. While I don’t want to force people to be vaccinated, those of us who have should be able to resume our lives in a manner that reflects it.
 

JohnVF

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So what I encountered at the bar was Chicago's "Vaccine Exemption."

If an establishment requires all patrons to be vaccinated, they don't have to limit their capacity and they can stay open to normal, non covid-limited, hours. Basically it allows a restaurant or bar to operate as normal. There's no requirement for a business to take part in the program, its up to the business. The one hitch is they were supposed to check for our vaccine cards, and we do have photos of them on our phones.

I like this. You don't have to be vaccinated but if you do, there are benefits.

In Chicago the rates of vaccination vary greatly. Some areas of downtown like where I used to live have over 90% at least one-shot vaccinated, one zip code has 100%. Other parts south and west are more like 30% and it isn't for lack of supply. Currently they're driving vax-buses around to bring the vaccine to anybody who couldn't find a way to get it before, to make it as easy to get as possible.
 
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Audionut

Next Round Is On Me
So what I encountered at the bar was Chicago's "Vaccine Exemption."

If an establishment requires all patrons to be vaccinated, they don't have to limit their capacity and they can stay open to normal, non covid-limited, hours. Basically it allows a restaurant or bar to operate as normal. There's no requirement for a business to take part in the program, its up to the business. The one hitch is they were supposed to check for our vaccine cards, and we do have photos of them on our phones.

I like this. You don't have to be vaccinated but if you do, there are benefits.

In Chicago the rates of vaccination vary greatly. Some areas of downtown like where I used to live have over 90% at least one-shot vaccinated, one zip code has 100%. Other parts south and west are more like 30% and it isn't for lack of supply. Currently they're driving vax-buses around to bring the vaccine to anybody who couldn't find a way to get it before, to make it as easy to get as possible.
That is great! Incentivize people or make it easier for them to get the vaccine. After finally deciding to get vaccinated, I found a plethora of options. Some required appointments, while others welcomed walk ins. I found a CVS that had an extra Pfizer shot yesterday, so I made an appointment and vuala (one down, one to go)!
So far only a soar arm, I am holding out for a side effect of x-ray vision or ability to fly. :)
 

JohnVF

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That is great! Incentivize people or make it easier for them to get the vaccine. After finally deciding to get vaccinated, I found a plethora of options. Some required appointments, while others welcomed walk ins. I found a CVS that had an extra Pfizer shot yesterday, so I made an appointment and vuala (one down, one to go)!
So far only a soar arm, I am holding out for a side effect of x-ray vision or ability to fly. :)
The 2nd one’s a doozy! But 12 hours of feeling like your hungover is a small price to just feel human again.

I’m happy you found a dose!
 

MikeyFresh

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I had Saturday brunch at Half Moon in Dobbs Ferry, NY today, my very first time eating inside a restaurant since Feb. 22nd, 2020.

The proprietor has elected to continue the mask requirement, except when seated at your table. We considered eating outside, however it was approaching 90℉ and humid in NY today, so we ate inside the dining room. All family members attending were fully vaccinated weeks ago.
 

GuyK

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I got my second shot yesterday afternoon (Phizer), and no effects from it other than feeling like I'd been punched in the arm.
 

JohnVF

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I got a note from the city of Evanston where I live that there were no new COVID cases today and that our rolling weekly average for new cases is below 1. The overwhelming majority of the city is vaccinated, including the young folks, and life has largely returned to normal here. Odd that normality feels so surreal.
 

Audionut

Next Round Is On Me
I’ve heard of all sorts of drawings one can enter once they had their COVID vaccines. Something to look forward too!
 
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