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JoeThePop

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Where can I find a neutral American point of view on this topic, not being totally biased by a Democrats or Republicans perspective?
That's a tall order. As John said, depends who you ask. When people ask me I have shared this and leave it at that. We all have biases to one degree or another, it's the willingness to acknowledge that and do the best you can at weeding out the extremes. I think this graphic helps do that. Of course there will be people who disagree with it.

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That's a tall order. As John said, depends who you ask. When people ask me I have shared this and leave it at that. We all have biases to one degree or another, it's the willingness to acknowledge that and do the best you can at weeding out the extremes. I think this graphic helps do that. Of course there will be people who disagree with it.
Very interesting graphic, thanks a lot!

It's good to find some media being placed in different columns for 'news' and 'opinion', and usually the news part more centered. Appears to be a +1 for trustworthyness and neutrality for me.

Maybe I should take a closer look at NPR and the Wall Street Journal for a start.
 

JohnVF

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I think the media bias chart is biased ;). But as you said any given person probably would, from their own vantage point.

One thing is that in many us papers the editorial/opinion staff will have a more dramatic lean one way or the other than the actual news staff. Those parts of the papers have become a big draw, in my opinion it’s been to their detriment.
 

JoeThePop

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Be aware, the chart includes analysis on online content only. Which for me is where I get the vast majority of my news.
 

JoeThePop

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I think the media bias chart is biased ;). But as you said any given person probably would, from their own vantage point.

One thing is that in many us papers the editorial/opinion staff will have a more dramatic lean one way or the other than the actual news staff. Those parts of the papers have become a big draw, in my opinion it’s been to their detriment.

My MIL recently told me that Fox News was becoming too liberal. So yeah, people are going to disagree with any document that claims to give an unbiased view on biases.
 

MikeyFresh

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the NYT is considered left by many on the the right and right by many on the left. It’s a pretty good paper generally but they also screw up and go click chasing more than they used to. That’s my opinion at least. I’m a centrist and it’s the only paper I have a subscription to, though it’s not the only one I read. I’ve cancelled that subscription twice in the last couple of years only to come back. I don’t know that there’s really one paper to read for a neutral perspective, I feel you kind of have to read a bunch and then get a feel from the varying perspectives.
Well said, I'd have to agree with all of that.

I too only have one newspaper subscription, it is the NYT, and while I do definitely consider them very decidedly on the left, I tolerate that as the seemingly best available choice for my needs.
 

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That's a tall order. As John said, depends who you ask. When people ask me I have shared this and leave it at that. We all have biases to one degree or another, it's the willingness to acknowledge that and do the best you can at weeding out the extremes. I think this graphic helps do that. Of course there will be people who disagree with it.

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Thanks for posting, that's a really interesting chart. I can't say I'd disagree with too much there.

I was going to recommend NPR, and also the evidently left-leaning The Atlantic, and The Guardian to @simplex . I read the latter two online at times, and we get copies of the WSJ delivered here at work each day so I tend to have a look at that during lunch.
 

JoeThePop

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Thanks for posting, that's a really interesting chart. I can't say I'd disagree with too much there.

I was going to recommend NPR, and also the evidently left-leaning The Atlantic, and The Guardian to @simplex . I read the latter two online at times, and we get copies of the WSJ delivered here at work each day so I tend to have a look at that during lunch.

One thing I wonder about the chart is when they identified biases, did they take into account just the actual stories a site posts, or did they also consider what the site decided to post, and what was given the most attention. A bias doesn't have to exist in a sites stories, but it could exist in what they decide to cover and publish.

I also read NPR because their is no subscription needed to see all their stories, and I do believe they have more journalistic integrity than many others. But we all know their are others who consider them far-left leaning.
 

JohnVF

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I think if one were to read the WSJ and NYT they'd get a pretty good idea of things from the balance of them. And also to try to consider both without reading or at least taking into consideration their opinion sections, as they're both skewed by those ... but the reporting itself isn't as biased as their opposing opinion staffs, from my point of view. We all probably consider our own viewpoints to be more unbiased than they are. My degrees are in mass communications and even with that background of knowing a bit of the behind the scenes I get sucked into confirmation-bias in my reading habits.
 

MikeyFresh

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One thing I wonder about the chart is when they identified biases, did they take into account just the actual stories a site posts, or did they also consider what the site decided to post, and what was given the most attention. A bias doesn't have to exist in a sites stories, but it could exist in what they decide to cover and publish.

I also read NPR because their is no subscription needed to see all their stories, and I do believe they have more journalistic integrity than many others. But we all know their are others who consider them far-left leaning.
Good point on the bias in any particular article vs. bias in general as to what they choose to publish.

I too have heard the accusation that NPR is left-leaning, but I myself don't necessarily perceive it though, I think to the extent one can create that middle category for the chart at all, they would belong there.
 

JoeThePop

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I think if one were to read the WSJ and NYT they'd get a pretty good idea of things from the balance of them. And also to try to consider both without reading or at least taking into consideration their opinion sections, as they're both skewed by those ... but the reporting itself isn't as biased as their opposing opinion staffs, from my point of view. We all probably consider our own viewpoints to be more unbiased than they are. My degrees are in mass communications and even with that background of knowing a bit of the behind the scenes I get sucked into confirmation-bias in my reading habits.

I agree with your assessment. When I used to read the print copies of the WSJ and the NYT, I thought they were excellent and well balanced in their reporting. And I would also read the opinion pieces for a bit of different perspectives on events.
 

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An interesting small sample size of audiophile poll data on the JRiver site:

Poll:

What's your Covid vaccination status now?​

Fully vaccinated 98 (83.1%)
Partially vaccinated 5 (4.2%)
Not vaccinated but intend to 2 (1.7%)
Not vaccinated and don't want to be 9 (7.6%)
Waiting to know more 4 (3.4%)
Can't be vaccinated for medical reasons 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 118
 

JoeThePop

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An interesting small sample size of audiophile poll data on the JRiver site:

Poll:

What's your Covid vaccination status now?​

Fully vaccinated 98 (83.1%)
Partially vaccinated 5 (4.2%)
Not vaccinated but intend to 2 (1.7%)
Not vaccinated and don't want to be 9 (7.6%)
Waiting to know more 4 (3.4%)
Can't be vaccinated for medical reasons 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 118

So I'm going to extrapolate that and say audiophiles in the U.S. are well on their way to being almost almost 90% fully vaccinated.
We rock!
 

Andyman

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Al Jazeraah (?) used to get mentioned quite a bit as an unbiased source.

Went shopping today at Meijer and Costco. Meijer had signs up requesting ALL customers wear a mask. Costco had none and my friend told me that it was the same as when I left so no masks required of members or vaccinated employees. About half those in Costco were masked.
 

JoeThePop

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Al Jazeraah (?) used to get mentioned quite a bit as an unbiased source.

Went shopping today at Meijer and Costco. Meijer had signs up requesting ALL customers wear a mask. Costco had none and my friend told me that it was the same as when I left so no masks required of members or vaccinated employees. About half those in Costco were masked.
And my employer just announced that they will be requiring masks at the facility again. No impact for me since I'm still 100% working from home.

I will comply with stores and restaurants wishes. They are doing their best to protect their employees from those who are unvaccinated. And the only way for them to be sure that unvaccinated people are masked up is to require everyone to wear a mask. It may not be necessary, but a reaction to leaked memos and the media. Sucks, but I understand their reasoning.
 
Not good. The upcoming data (deaths) will not lie. Just like past data has not.


Surprise, surprise. Their governers (and plenty of others as well, anyone saying F science over my God given rights) are nothing more than murderers (with the IQs of small soap dishes) multiplied by thousands in my book.


Darwin in action and putting many other lives at risk as well.

In Florida - revoke (taxpayer funded) school funding if a school decides to impose mask mandates(science for the safety of all) ? Are you F'N KIDDING ME DUMMMMMM F AHOLE?!?!?!
 
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JohnVF

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I don't know that my two layer cotton mask with fiber openings 100 times bigger than the virus that I have always worn without a filter and that I bought at Home Depot 10 months ago and have washed maybe three times is that scientifically efficacious ;) I think its probably more symbolic at this point.
 

JohnVF

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The pee analogy is good here:

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I like that analogy but I think its more like somebody wearing netting for pants with a lot of the masks I see (and have worn). Not being an anti-masker but I really do honestly believe that much of the effect of them is the symbolism and reminder to be careful, keep distance, and don't just go breathe all over somebody up close.

When I really really wanted the protection of an effective mask, while flying to Colombia back in January, I wore an actual N95 mask with another mask over the top of it. If I didn't look like a freak that would have scared other passengers I"d have worn my full face respirator.
 
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