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[Wntrmute2]

Seems I've seen folks with no prior posts list something sale and then never contribute another word. Not technically a foul but seems unhavenlike.
Similarly, some come to ask for help with their first post abd don't remain. Don't even post whether the help worked. Again - not against any rules but rude behavior IMHO.

 

[rusomon]

I wouldn't mind having a specific place where we could leave shout outs to all the folks with whom we've had pleasant, positive transactions, past and present. An index of trustworthy dudes, if you will. Which is not to say I really think we need it here-- at least not based on my experience. Just a thought, folks.

 

[prime minister]

I wouldn't mind having a specific place where we could leave shout outs to all the folks with whom we've had pleasant, positive transactions, past and present. An index of trustworthy dudes, if you will. Which is not to say I really think we need it here-- at least not based on my experience. Just a thought, folks.

Keeping in the Haven spirit, I'd prefer a positive feedback only forum. It will show who the good guys are, and you can make up your own mind about anyone else.

 

[rusomon]

That's exactly what I had in mind.

 

[prime minister]

That's exactly what I had in mind.

Brilliant, you are!

 

[RPMac]

From a business perspective, I don’t see why you shouldn’t require a seller to be a supporter….you are providing a forum and a specific(special) group of possible buyers. It might make someone like me to become a supporter, but I never sell anything…. I only buy whether I need it or not.

 

[JP]

Keeping in the Haven spirit, I'd prefer a positive feedback only forum. It will show who the good guys are, and you can make up your own mind about anyone else.

What if a buyer doesn’t leave feedback for a good transaction? That’d automatically penalize the seller.

 

[prime minister]

What if a buyer doesn’t leave feedback for a good transaction? That’d automatically penalize the seller.

Then they don't. No demands or requirements. It's a goodwill forum only.

 

[rusomon]

Brilliant, you are!

Not even my mother would go quite that far.

 

[JP]

Then they don't. No demands or requirements. It's a goodwill forum only.

Ya, so penalized sellers .

 

[prime minister]

Ya, so penalized sellers .

Nope. Not our place to do that. We aren't involved in any way with the sale. It's always between the two parties to sort it out. If someone chooses to say something positive about the other party in a transaction, then that is great.

 

[Audionut]

I like the enforced 50 post threshold before being able to sell. I also think it wouldn’t be a bad idea to create a thread of “good buyers/sellers”, where people can comment on great experiences they’ve had with X person.

 

[JP]

Good feedback = good transaction. Many good good feedbacks = good seller.
No/low feedback = may be good, me be bad, who knows?
Outcome = good sellers with buyers that are feedback lazy get penalized, and bad sellers get a pass because no one knows if they are truly bad or a good seller without any or much feedback.

I'm not saying you are actively penalizing them, just creating a system that does it by default with the consequence of giving bad sellers latitude.

 

[MikeT.]

FWIW, I think a site supporter requirement with a $10 donation annually PLUS a minimum number of posts might deter folks who don’t want the bother. I agree with @JP A special space for feedback as in “another “ forum, was always like leaving feedback that was virtually impossible to find, at least for me. I never knew if I received positive or no feedback. With even a modest amount of due diligence, particularly with noting number of postings, I’ve never been unable to resolve any issues, major or minor, with sellers.

 

[prime minister]

Good feedback = good transaction. Many good good feedbacks = good seller.
No/low feedback = may be good, me be bad, who knows?
Outcome = good sellers with buyers that are feedback lazy get penalized, and bad sellers get a pass because no one knows if they are truly bad or a good seller without any or much feedback.

I'm not saying you are actively penalizing them, just creating a system that does it by default with the consequence of giving bad sellers latitude.

No.
We don't penalize anyone.
We just reward good sellers and buyers.
It's not like we are audiogon. It's a small club of folks selling to each other. Gosh, we pretty well know each other in here anyway.
Worse case scenario, it encourages folks to do better on their transactions.
And again, the Haven is NOT involved in transactions that go bad. It's ALWAYS and only between the buyer and seller to make sure all precautions are taken.

 

[JP]

No.
We don't penalize anyone.
We just reward good sellers and buyers.
It's not like we are audiogon. It's a small club of folks selling to each other. Gosh, we pretty well know each other in here anyway.
Worse case scenario, it encourages folks to do better on their transactions.
And again, the Haven is NOT involved in transactions that go bad. It's ALWAYS and only between the buyer and seller to make sure all precautions are taken.

You're stuck on thinking that I'm saying something that I'm not. Moving on.

 

[adaug]

I'm not saying you are actively penalizing them, just creating a system that does it by default with the consequence of giving bad sellers latitude.

wait - are there HFH "bad sellers"? perhaps there is a problem that most of us dont know about?

 

[prime minister]

wait - are there HFH "bad sellers"? perhaps there is a problem that most of us dont know about?

Not that I've ever heard of.

 

[adaug]

Not that I've ever heard of.

so there does not seem to be a need to set up a detailed negative feedback system. and if we would, there would need to be close monitoring because people often don't adhere to the rules, and spew out negative blasts/attacks instead of factual reports. i have bought and sold a few items on HFH and would be happy to contribute to a positive feedback thread. PS imho it should cover buyers too - praise for those who come thru on promises.

 

[prime minister]

so there does not seem to be a need to set up a detailed negative feedback system. and if we would, there would need to be close monitoring because people often don't adhere to the rules, and spew out negative blasts/attacks instead of factual reports. i have bought and sold a few items on HFH and would be happy to contribute to a positive feedback thread. PS imho it should cover buyers too - praise for those who come thru on promises.

I've seen negative feedback forums. They are just a he said/she said (or more likely in audio fora he said/he said) shitshow. They really serve little purpose other than allowing the aggrieved party (or the party that feels aggrieved) to whine loudly. Sure, there can be some valid complaints, but the Haven doesn't have to bandwidth to separate the wheat from the chaff.
And, I may not have mentioned this before, but all transactions are strictly between the two parties involved, and the Haven is in no way involved in it. Caveat emptor, and all of that.