Trajectory and Windage Approximations Were Correct... Air Guns

mfrench

Senior Member
They may be no match for a gun, but they do pretty well against rattlesnakes:

Squirrels Heat Tails to Battle Rattlesnakes

I've seen numerous references bout them being immune to the effects of the bites. Evoution, together, over millennia, between the two.
Another weird factoid,... they cannabilize their own in defense of the larger group; something to do with cleaning up so as to not attract predators. This is not limited to the dead.
 

mfrench

Senior Member
Gophers at sunrise, while waiting for the coffee to brew.
Strolled out to the Western Outpost with the binoculars, and, there it was, sticking its head out of the hole.
So, I ran back to the house, and grabbed my new favorite pellet rifle (below), the one that I got for Sarge (clears throat), and, 10 pumps later to pressure up, one dead Gopher.



telephoto image of the rodent. it is right at the break of the sun at the 2nd shade line (the skinniest of the shade areas).
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As found, after it tried to get back into its hole:
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Curiosity shot, to see where I hit it.
Got it right in the gills at 60'
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Then I went and had my morning coffee.

My new carbine style Crosman 2289g Backpacker, with 14" barrel, and with a Winchester Daisy 2-7x-32AO scope mounted onto a third party aluminum breech. Fantastic inexpensive scope.
It is a multi-pump pneumatic style, with 10 pumps maximum. The extended length barrel likely up the velocity from 450fps to closer to 500fps
The tape on the stock pistol grip is because of it being a removeable stock. The tape helps to prevent a bit of wobble at that point.
This thing is accurate enough to pick sprouting weeds off at their base, or, even to shoot a sparkling piece of grit at sunset, out at 60+ft.
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mfrench

Senior Member
.22
This started out as a Bug-Out Kit, from PyramydAir.com, which came with an upgraded 14" barrel length, and, optional stock as part of a kit.
It starts out as a base level pistol as the 1322 model. They add a shoulder stock, and 14" upgrade barrel (10" is stock), and a bunch of actually functional schwag, and call it the Bug-Out kit. Crosman Doomsday Bug Out Air Rifle Kit 2.0 | Pyramyd Air
Problem: It has a plastic breech which does not allow for scope mounting. You can only use the stock slotted/peep sight. And there is no set screw to keep the barrel steady.
The kit is $99, but I had a discount coupon from their catalog, which came in at $85

I ordered an aluminum breech from Baker Air Guns, for another $35, which has a dovetail mount for a scope machined into it. This breech is extremely lightweight.
The scope was an Amazon purchase of $40

Then, I found out about ordering directly from Crosman, and their custom shop. From them, you can order a steel breech on it, and barrels lengths of up to 18", and other custom add-ons. An 18" steel breech custom Crosman OE build will run about $110, with a 4 to 6 week build time. And,... the china virus has cut back on production,... Crosman Custom Shop
 
Possums are definitely not vegans. They eat all kinds of things including carrion, ticks reptiles amphibians.

I am in St. Louis and where I moved three years ago I have a big problem with tree squirrels. They are getting into one of my attics and they do other annoying things. I have been watching you tube extermination videos and plotting which air rifle and scope to buy.
Recommendations welcome.
 

mfrench

Senior Member
Possums are definitely not vegans. They eat all kinds of things including carrion, ticks reptiles amphibians.

I am in St. Louis and where I moved three years ago I have a big problem with tree squirrels. They are getting into one of my attics and they do other annoying things. I have been watching you tube extermination videos and plotting which air rifle and scope to buy.
Recommendations welcome.
The newest trend in air guns is a platform that is reffered to as PCP, or, Pre-Charged Pneumatics.
I am a fan of this platform!
The strongest negative aspect of the PCP format is the need for a pump of some form. The guns have an onboard air reserve tube on them that needs to be filled to extreme high pressure, of at least 2k.psi, and as high as up to 4k.psi
To pump them, there are hand pumps that look just like bike pumps; feet that you stand on to steady the pump, vertical tube, t-handle. Or, there are electric pumps, and, or, scuba tanks filled at dive shops. I use a hand pump. It takes 100 pumps when complettely empty; 40 strokes if I've shot it to a low reserve level, and, 25 strokes just to top it of after light shooting. WIth 100 strokes, the last 20 are hardcore AB crunches from a standing position.
IMO, the most outstanding thing about PCP is that there is absolutely no kick when fired; dead still. So still in fact, that I've gotten quite used to watching the pellet in flight, seeing its arc of trajectory, and watching it impact the target.

Mine is a Beeman Chief .22 PCP.
I cannot recommend it, due to a design flaw in the valve. Its is a great rifle, and very accurate, but its main seal keeps failing, and I keep tearing it apart, and fixing it.

The alternate platform is what is referred to as the break-barrel design.
These come in two forms; spring piston, and, compressed gas piston.
They bth require the barrel to be "broken", or, literally grabbed at the end of the barrel, and pulling the barrel down, which loads either the spring, or gas cartridge. Then, when the trigger is pulled, the spring releases, or the gas cartridge expands, forcing a piston forward, displacing air down the barrel.
A big advantage to this platform is that all that is necessary for powering the gun is breaking the barrel to cock the piston mechanism.
A major disadvantage to them is that they double-kick on firing them. They are known as scope breakers because of this double kick. They literally destroy scopes, and cause them to constantly need adjustments. This kick literally lifts the gun from the rest, and, completely scrambles your downrange view of the shot. You cannot see what is happening during the shot.

For a larger animal, to take it down humanely, you might look towards a .25ca But, finding instore ammo is going to be very difficult. You'd be limited to online sales.
.177 and .22 caliber pellets are easily found in retail stores. Larger,... not likely. A clean headshot with a .22 would take a possum down, but that is likely the only way to do so humanely.
I'm not a hunter, just an advocate of burrowing rodent population reduction.


Scopes,....
Whatever you get, get one with Adjustable Objective, or, a designate of AO. This allows for fine adjustment, and helps eliminate what is referred to as parallax, or, a distortion of field perpsective.
I cannot recommend highly enough, a line of scopes by UTG Leapers. They are in the affordable range. They have fantastic features, and are rock solid strong. A UTG AO scope, with a sidewheel for AO adjustment is slicker than shit.
On my Beeman Chief, I have a UTG Leapers 4-16x44AO Accushot which is somewhere around $100 + $20 for an AO side wheel.
On my Crosman 2289 Carbine, I have a Winchester Daisy 2-7x32AO scopes, which was $40, and is a fantastic backyard scope.
 
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airdronian

Junior Member
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This started out as a Bug-Out Kit, from PyramydAir.com, which came with an upgraded 14" barrel length, and, optional stock as part of a kit.
It starts out as a base level pistol as the 1322 model. They add a shoulder stock, and 14" upgrade barrel (10" is stock), and a bunch of actually functional schwag, and call it the Bug-Out kit. Crosman Doomsday Bug Out Air Rifle Kit 2.0 | Pyramyd Air
Problem: It has a plastic breech which does not allow for scope mounting. You can only use the stock slotted/peep sight. And there is no set screw to keep the barrel steady.
The kit is $99, but I had a discount coupon from their catalog, which came in at $85

I ordered an aluminum breech from Baker Air Guns, for another $35, which has a dovetail mount for a scope machined into it. This breech is extremely lightweight.
The scope was an Amazon purchase of $40

Then, I found out about ordering directly from Crosman, and their custom shop. From them, you can order a steel breech on it, and barrels lengths of up to 18", and other custom add-ons. An 18" steel breech custom Crosman OE build will run about $110, with a 4 to 6 week build time. And,... the china virus has cut back on production,... Crosman Custom Shop
Interesting. Back in the mid-seventies my Dad bought us kids a .22 break-barrel type (spring piston) of a brand I can't recall. Not sure why he did this, we were in the middle of suburbia. Maybe its because we were into reading Field & Stream at the time ?
 

mfrench

Senior Member
Lewis & Clark!
Girardoni air rifle - Wikipedia


Gunsmith recreates it and describes the workings of it's brass air valve with seat machined from some kind of animal horn, the only suitable seating material for withstanding 800psi in its day.


and,... the world suffered the loss of one Sage Rat, this afternoon, out at 250', from the Western Outpost. Its the first one I've seen in weeks.
 
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Fran604g

Just Call Me Junior
Lewis & Clark!
Girardoni air rifle - Wikipedia


Gunsmith recreates it and describes the workings of it's brass air valve with seat machined from some kind of animal horn, the only suitable seating material for withstanding 800psi in its day.


and,... the world suffered the loss of one Sage Rat, this afternoon, out at 250', from the Western Outpost. Its the first one I've seen in weeks.
Now that's interesting! .46 cal! Thanks Mike for the history lesson.
 
We have lots of Lewis and Clark stuff here in St. Louis. They wintered here before their journey of discovery in Alton Illinois and there is a tower built where you can view the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers. Not to mention the Gateway Arch and its attached just redone museum.

There are lots of YooHooTooob vids about air gun. It's a whole subject. There is a vids telling you how to build a baited field. I may just use traps.
 
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