Why does the audio world embrace annoyance?

JohnVF

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Benchmark AHB2s and the speakers are LX-521.4. The active crossover is an Okto DAC8 DSP that is setup for +24dBu output so I can run the amps in low gain mode. Eight channels minimum to run those speakers active.
I admire that you went with such a complex setup but made sure to have the easiest speaker hookup. You never know which straw will break the back …. ;)
 

JP

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I admire that you went with such a complex setup but made sure to have the easiest speaker hookup. You never know which straw will break the back …. ;)

I don't know. Making six custom cables terminated with 10 speak-on connectors is a bit more painful than binding posts, at least initially. Have you seen an 8 conductor speak-on?

The real motivation is that they're the most electrically sound speaker connector available.
 
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JohnVF

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As for why no pro audio connectors for speakers, who knows? There’s a lot of myths and hokey hinky pocus
I don't know. Making six custom cables terminated with 10 speak-on connector is a bit more painful that binding posts, at least initially. Have you seen an 8 conductor speak-on?

The real motivation is that they're the most electrically sound speaker connector available.
Oh you MADE them because...well, I know you enough that I should have known that. But I bet you're glad they're on there now. When I go in studios I look at all the clean, tight, connectors and let out a sigh. If only we could have such nice things.

I'll think of them as I fight the old '70s connectors on the back of my Onkyo. The modern 5-way binding posts on my Dynaudios and the Luxman L507u don't really bug me (it's a Festivus miracle!).
 

Drugolf

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Pat McGinty, paging Pat McGinty...why no Speakon connections?
Probably simply because they wont work with 99.9% of existing gear.

Of course he's moved on past speaker cables with is new active speakers.
 

mfrench

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From annoyance, arose coincidence. ( I really don't consider this an annoyance, but found this thread useful).

I've been in a forever long streak of backing up my older recordings, as some of them are on old media (20 year old CD-R master's), and, some haven't made it to digital yet.
Yesterday, I found one that needed to begin its life as a digital file. This one was a pair of Grateful Dead shows in Stanfords - Frost Ampitheater that I travelled to in April '88.
This Dead show was on 04-30-88 and another the next day, 05-01
But, wait,... there is another show from that night, too, David Lindley and El Rayo-X from Santa Cruz Catalyst Th. 04-30-1988 (it was a busy two days of recording).
It went like this,....
Frost Dead Palo Alto afternoon/evening concert -> drive to Santa Cruz (~50 miles through mountains) -> Dave and X-Rays start at 10pm -> sleep? ha!,.. nope -> Frost Amp Dead Palo Alto sunday pm /evening concert -> get dropped at airport, and home on last flight into Orange County; all nasty, smelly, sweaty, and spun out.

So, I'm trying to keep them all somewhat together and current.
So, I set up my transferring station, and, hit record. Transfer goes on, tapes flipped, changed,.... Day one, show one, done.
I take the SD card out of the recorder, and, plug it into my Mac, and, I have a look at the file number,....

It just so happens that I transferred 04-30, and, its new digital file number, by pure randomness, is,... 0430
jaw drops
thats all - carry on.
 
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RichPA

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I've just read all 18 pages of this thread, and enjoyed watching it evolve from a rant about tweaky stuff and digital boxes that don't work to (what seems to me) a pretty tweaky discussion about tonearms, with of course a lot of stops at various scenic overlooks. I certainly get JohnVF's frustration. I completely gave up on vinyl years ago, and haven't put a CD into a player for years (when a new CD arrives, it immediately gets ripped). There are 5 Bluesound-based systems in the house and they all work great now that I've got the wifi sorted out. Lori's got no problem using them. Like Andyman, I love streaming to preview music before buying it and for more casual listening.

I am no longer interested in stuff that requires me to get into IT-geek mode (my first server was a Linux box that I grew to hate). But I am still interested in maximizing sound quality at least in the main system. Now if I could only get surround sound to work well without running wire everywhere ...
 

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I've just read all 18 pages of this thread, and enjoyed watching it evolve from a rant about tweaky stuff and digital boxes that don't work to (what seems to me) a pretty tweaky discussion about tonearms, with of course a lot of stops at various scenic overlooks. I certainly get JohnVF's frustration. I completely gave up on vinyl years ago, and haven't put a CD into a player for years (when a new CD arrives, it immediately gets ripped). There are 5 Bluesound-based systems in the house and they all work great now that I've got the wifi sorted out. Lori's got no problem using them. Like Andyman, I love streaming to preview music before buying it and for more casual listening.

I am no longer interested in stuff that requires me to get into IT-geek mode (my first server was a Linux box that I grew to hate). But I am still interested in maximizing sound quality at least in the main system. Now if I could only get surround sound to work well without running wire everywhere ...
WISA. Problem is you eliminate the speaker cables, but then you still need to plug them into power. I don't see the advantage. Myself, I got tired of the whole multichannel thing with the mess of wires and cables and simplified to a sound bar. The horror! I saw a comment here on how the AV is standardized so it's easier to hook up. HDMI may be standardized but the ever growing list of codecs and the fact that HDMI goes through updates means you have to be satisfied with what you have or jump on the crazy train of replacing perfectly good equipment with new stuff to get the latest features. I did that and was on my third A/V receiver and was considering a fourth to take advantage of Dolby Atmos when I decided to chuck it all. More speakers, more wires, another receiver with a user manual as thick as a novel. I'm trying to simplify things now. It makes me happier.
 

mhardy6647

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Yeah, I'll pass on that.
I'm holdin' out for Googlephonics.
The 21st Century irony being, of course, I don't know whether it'll end up being the product of Alphabet or Meta.
:confused: :smoke


(trigger warning: some bad words in this bit -- if memory serves)
 

RichPA

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WISA. Problem is you eliminate the speaker cables, but then you still need to plug them into power. I don't see the advantage. Myself, I got tired of the whole multichannel thing with the mess of wires and cables and simplified to a sound bar. The horror! I saw a comment here on how the AV is standardized so it's easier to hook up. HDMI may be standardized but the ever growing list of codecs and the fact that HDMI goes through updates means you have to be satisfied with what you have or jump on the crazy train of replacing perfectly good equipment with new stuff to get the latest features. I did that and was on my third A/V receiver and was considering a fourth to take advantage of Dolby Atmos when I decided to chuck it all. More speakers, more wires, another receiver with a user manual as thick as a novel. I'm trying to simplify things now. It makes me happier.

I do have a 4.1 setup with an Audioengine W3 to get the surround signal to the back of the room. I guess that's enough for now. Quite true about HDMI - I thought I'd wait for it to settle down, but it doesn't look like that's happening.
 

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Actually the aspect I get most annoyed by are termination of speaker cables. I tend to walk the line between vintage and new gear and over that time frame there have been too many different ways to connect wire to gear and speakers. UGH!
 

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I do have a 4.1 setup with an Audioengine W3 to get the surround signal to the back of the room. I guess that's enough for now. Quite true about HDMI - I thought I'd wait for it to settle down, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

Oh yeah and I never did get my TV and sound bar to cooperate with HDMI ARC. Sure the hardware and communication is standardized, but manufacturers of equipment are free to decide for themselves what is and isn’t sent via HDMI ARC. So i ran into some incompatibility between my TV and my sound bar. I eventually chucked the HDMI connection between the TV and sound bar and simply use the optical output of the TV to the sound bar. This also much simplified my original set up using the sound bar as the main input switching control. It just confused my wife and we rarely use the Blu-ray player anymore. So when we stream a movie now, we just turn the TV sound down and turn on the sound bar for sound. And if we do watch a Blu-ray I handle switching the TV input for my wife.
 

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Oh yeah and I never did get my TV and sound bar to cooperate with HDMI ARC. Sure the hardware and communication is standardized, but manufacturers of equipment are free to decide for themselves what is and isn’t sent via HDMI ARC. So i ran into some incompatibility between my TV and my sound bar. I eventually chucked the HDMI connection between the TV and sound bar and simply use the optical output of the TV to the sound bar. This also much simplified my original set up using the sound bar as the main input switching control. It just confused my wife and we rarely use the Blu-ray player anymore. So when we stream a movie now, we just turn the TV sound down and turn on the sound bar for sound. And if we do watch a Blu-ray I handle switching the TV input for my wife.
I use the optical out from the TV to a little DAC, then two-channel audio to the Teac A-X75 MkII integrated. For DVDs etc. the sound just goes directly from two channel RCA out as the DVD player is old enough to have such niceties. The whole type of system that ties you into having some sort of A/V receiver just pissed me off entirely. First you have to shell out for one, then in a few years it becomes outdated and has to be replaced. I'll dodge them bullets as long as I can, thanks.
 

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Our TV is on a tripod and we move it from room to room. Soon to be a wheeled tripod as our new OLED is quite a bit heavier than what it replaced. Anyway, when I want better sound I run an optical cable to my DAC and mute the Tv.
 
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