You Know?... We Don't Have A Beatles Thread

[JohnVF]

Bashing the Beatles has become sadly popular of late. Many just seem the need to show their “counter culture“ Bona Fides by attacking what is inarguably one of the greatest music making teams of the 20th century.

Ok ok I can’t let this pass . This is actually why a lot of us don’t like the Beatles. You’re simply not allowed to not love them by their fans.

I agree with the notion of keeping quiet about it, but as a Beatles disliker myself, I have to defend my opinion - having just stumbled across this. I could write pages about why I dislike them, and don’t worry I won’t, but it has nothing to do with my counter culture bonafides. I won’t, because this is a Beatles fan thread, and I’m happy people love them - music is subjective- but the above just really reflects an attitude that has added to my generation really really really being put off by them.


Ok carry on Beatles fans. seriously, enjoy them. But also don’t tell us who don’t love them what our motivation is for disliking them.

 

[mhardy6647]

Ok ok I can’t let this pass . This is actually why a lot of us don’t like the Beatles. You’re simply not allowed to not love them by their fans.

Sure you can; it's OK.
I mean, look at me! I don't love the Rolling Stones, and I... umm... uhh...

 

[JohnVF]

Sure you can; it's OK.
I mean, look at me! I don't love the Rolling Stones, and I... umm... uhh...

All you need is love, man. Love is all you need.

(stellar lyrics by the way. Seriously deep )

Ok seriously don't mean to derail the thread with my self defense. I'd rather listen to The Zombies' Odessey & Oracle than the Beatles OR the Stones. AND... the Peter Jackson documentary DOES look pretty interesting. I love seeing behind the legend into raw footage of what really happened with any band, even ones where I don't share the obsession, but know the legend.

 

[mhardy6647]

It dawned on me this afternoon that we might be able to leverage the Disney+ access (if they do indeed have it) of someone we know quite well (blood relative, don't you know?) and see some of this magnum opus. Maybe. I would enjoy seeing the spiffed up footage. I really like that rainbow striped shirt Lennon has on in one of the trailers.

That said, I am thinking that this new film vs. the old one is sort of the Han shot first Greedo shot first revisionist history that... well... waxes and wanes in fashionability.



Come to think of it, Waxes and Wanes probably could've been the title of a long-lost Zombies album...

PS, @JohnVF I do hope you've seen All You Need Is Cash. That is all you need.

 

[JohnVF]

If you’ve seen And They Will Not Grow Old, you’ll know what Peter Jackson can do with film restoration.

 

[Thermionics]

Ok ok I can’t let this pass . This is actually why a lot of us don’t like the Beatles. You’re simply not allowed to not love them by their fans.

I agree with the notion of keeping quiet about it, but as a Beatles disliker myself, I have to defend my opinion - having just stumbled across this. I could write pages about why I dislike them, and don’t worry I won’t, but it has nothing to do with my counter culture bonafides. I won’t, because this is a Beatles fan thread, and I’m happy people love them - music is subjective- but the above just really reflects an attitude that has added to my generation really really really being put off by them.


Ok carry on Beatles fans. seriously, enjoy them. But also don’t tell us who don’t love them what our motivation is for disliking them.

Fellow GenX-er here - I happen to like the Beatles (probably because my babysitters in the early 70s played a lot of Beatles), but I don't foist that on anyone else (hell, my best friend from college can't stand the Beatles, and we've agreed to disagree). You do you, and godspeed!

 

[Zen Cafe]

Heeeel noooooo! I'm quitting the forum ...... Only Kidding!

When I was 21 I went with my Dad to England...one of the greatest trips of my life. I picked up the phone book and called Air London and asked if I could visit, explaining that I had a small studio. I ended up spending the whole day there even having "tea" with some the staff. This studio was built and owned by George Martin. I believe the Pretenders were recording in one of the studios but did not meet them.

To make a long story short the studio manager was a middle aged woman (damn if I remember her name....I will!) who regaled me with tales of Paul and family who she apparently knew well and spent many Sunday dinners with...what a day...

 

[Thermionics]

About a 1:05 into Ep. 2, when they are listening to the first take of ‘Dig A Pony’, there’s a nice shot of 4(!) Altec 614 cabs being used for playback…

 

[kirk57]

Ok ok I can’t let this pass . This is actually why a lot of us don’t like the Beatles. You’re simply not allowed to not love them by their fans.

I agree with the notion of keeping quiet about it, but as a Beatles disliker myself, I have to defend my opinion - having just stumbled across this. I could write pages about why I dislike them, and don’t worry I won’t, but it has nothing to do with my counter culture bonafides. I won’t, because this is a Beatles fan thread, and I’m happy people love them - music is subjective- but the above just really reflects an attitude that has added to my generation really really really being put off by them.


Ok carry on Beatles fans. seriously, enjoy them. But also don’t tell us who don’t love them what our motivation is for disliking them.

I understand what you are saying; some artists you are somehow *obligated* to love (did someone say Frank Zappa?)

Not sure how many of your generation feel that way, but the lads seem pretty popular with people younger than you.

The Beatles remain a pop culture phenomenon even among Gen Z fans. Here's why

The Beatles remain a pop culture phenomenon even among Gen Z fans. The group has kept the 50-year-old brand popular with streaming, Sirius radio and video games.

www.cnbc.com

 

[JohnVF]

I understand what you are saying; some artists you are somehow *obligated* to love (did someone say Frank Zappa?)

Not sure how many of your generation feel that way, but the lads seem pretty popular with people younger than you.

The Beatles remain a pop culture phenomenon even among Gen Z fans. Here's why

The Beatles remain a pop culture phenomenon even among Gen Z fans. The group has kept the 50-year-old brand popular with streaming, Sirius radio and video games.

www.cnbc.com

They definitely have a following in the generations younger than me. My niece and nephew are really into them - a few years ago I gave them share Beatles records I had.

Oh yeah, Zappa- feel the same. I don’t get that AT ALL. I tried to listen to that trout mask album and can’t say I’ve heard much of anything I liked less. Simply Having a Wonderful Christmastime was more listenable!

 

[RDSChicago]

I’m in the middle of episode 2 of Get Back on Disney Plus. A must watch. Incredible dialogue between the Fab 4 and watching Paul literally write Let it Be, Two of Us and other songs in the warehouse/studio while rehearsing for a live concert is mind-blowing and makes one appreciate the immense talent and synergy from these four. Watching George stand up and quit the band, saying see you around at the clubs, and then the remaining members enticing and groveling with him to come back, was fascinating; the four needed each other and couldn’t have been the success they were and are without each other.

 

[JoeThePop]

Okay I'm convinced, I'll watch it. It's funny, being born at the end of 1960 you might think I would be a huge Beatles fan. But for whatever reason I never connected with their music. It may be because I was 9 or 10 when they broke up, and hadn't really started my journey into rock music yet. And when I did I was all about The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen... I do however recognize them for what they are, a hugely influential band that wrote some of the best pop songs ever recorded. And I have always been curious about the brilliance of the songs they crafted and how their solo work (especially Paul's) doesn't seem to measure up. My opinion of course.

 

[Kpatch]

Oh yeah, Zappa- feel the same. I don’t get that AT ALL. I tried to listen to that trout mask album and can’t say I’ve heard much of anything I liked less. Simply Having a Wonderful Christmastime was more listenable!

Trout Mask Replica was a Captain Beefheart album. It was only produced by Zappa.

 

[JohnVF]

Trout Mask Replica was a Captain Beefheart album. It was only produced by Zappa.

If it’s a replica I’d hate to experience the original.

 

[kirk57]

I’m in the middle of episode 2 of Get Back on Disney Plus. A must watch. Incredible dialogue between the Fab 4 and watching Paul literally write Let it Be, Two of Us and other songs in the warehouse/studio while rehearsing for a live concert is mind-blowing and makes one appreciate the immense talent and synergy from these four. Watching George stand up and quit the band, saying see you around at the clubs, and then the remaining members enticing and groveling with him to come back, was fascinating; the four needed each other and couldn’t have been the success they were and are without each other.

I saw the first one last night, and I was struck by the fact that at that point at appeared that McCartney was the glue holding the band together after Epstein's untimely death. Of course it may hae been edited to look that way, but apparently Yoko had a say in the final cut, so I tend to believe it.

John seemed to not really care too much, George really started to get fed up with his contributions being overlooked, and Ringo just trying to stay out of the drama.

It was like being in the room with them, and I like the fact that a lot of it was kind of tedious/boring. Just like real life.

 

[kirk57]

Trout Mask Replica was a Captain Beefheart album. It was only produced by Zappa.

True.

But there are numerous Zappa recordings that leave me feeling the same way. A lot of it is overly complex, what I refer to as music for musicians. (I don't like the modern classical music that he loved so much, either) And his sophomoric lyrics and cynicism wore thin for me pretty quickly.

I do love 'Overnight Sensation', but that's about it. I probably have 10 or so Zappa LPs that I've picked up at thrift stores over the years because, you know, you're *supposed to* love Zappa....

 

[mpholland]

Okay I'm convinced, I'll watch it. It's funny, being born at the end of 1960 you might think I would be a huge Beatles fan. But for whatever reason I never connected with their music. It may be because I was 9 or 10 when they broke up, and hadn't really started my journey into rock music yet. And when I did I was all about The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen... I do however recognize them for what they are, a hugely influential band that wrote some of the best pop songs ever recorded. And I have always been curious about the brilliance of the songs they crafted and how their solo work (especially Paul's) doesn't seem to measure up. My opinion of course.

I've already mentioned I burned myself out on The Beatles years ago, but I also have a lot of respect for the band and what they accomplished. It may partially be the fact that something in my brain got twisted against "pop" music several years back and that I recognize a lot of Beatles music as pop, especially their earlier years. Anyway, I think some of McCartney's music measured up at first. I liked "Maybe I'm Amazed" pretty well, but that was about it for his solo stuff sans Wings. His first few years with Wings yielded some pretty good stuff. "Live and Let Die", "Jet", and "Band on the Run" were probably at his peak. "Listen to What the Man Said", "Silly Love Songs" and "Let 'Em In" were probably the last of what I could listen to and think he just kind of went downhill after that. Of course, I feel the same about Robert Plant after Led Zeppelin. He had a few gems, but some of his later stuff I just don't care for at all, especially re: The Sensational Space Shifters.

 

[MikeyFresh]

I’m in the middle of episode 2 of Get Back on Disney Plus. A must watch. Incredible dialogue between the Fab 4 and watching Paul literally write Let it Be, Two of Us and other songs in the warehouse/studio while rehearsing for a live concert is mind-blowing and makes one appreciate the immense talent and synergy from these four. Watching George stand up and quit the band, saying see you around at the clubs, and then the remaining members enticing and groveling with him to come back, was fascinating; the four needed each other and couldn’t have been the success they were and are without each other.

Well said, I watched episode 2 late into the evening last night and was fascinated by all of it, including the big lift that occurs when their old friend Billy Preston arrives.

 

[Thermionics]

Yeah, I've tried really hard to like Captain Beefheart and Frank Zappa, but other than 'Safe as Milk' and 'Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch', they both have eluded me.

 

[Kpatch]

Yeah, I've tried really hard to like Captain Beefheart and Frank Zappa, but other than 'Safe as Milk' and 'Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch', they both have eluded me.

Believe me, it’s all about Clear Spot.

I agree with most of the above. It’s fascinating to see McCartney in control, at the top of his game and just how damn musical he was … and they were.