I'm boycotting Spotify! Forever!

[Zen Cafe]

Neil Young just removed his music from Spotify as he challenged them to remove Anti-vaccination liar Joe Rogan.. they chose Rogan. I'm boycotting Spotify forever...no joke...there are other options and no skin off my nose...I hope many other artists remove their music. JMTC.

Moderators if this is in the wrong forum I appreciate a redirect as I would not want to break rules here.

 

[jblnut]

Do you boycott the library because you don't agree with all of the books ?

 

[S0und Dragon]

As long as we can acknowledge that this is an individual opinion. And we keep the discourse in bounds.I will let it ride. Just remember that the Haven is a collegial place and we try to keep it that way.

 

[Andyman]

I saw on the crawler on GMA this AM that Young had threatened to pull his music because of Rogan, but later saw that Spotify decided to make the move for him. I doubt that Spotify chose to "support" Rogan, but rather decided they wouldn't let artists dictate what content they provide.

 

[JohnVF]

I would encourage people to base their opinion of Rogan on having listened to him, rather than having read about what he's said. I say this as a socially liberal (otherwise centrist) pro-vax person. His portrayal in the increasingly echo-chambered media is so weirdly disparate from what he's actually done and said as to have, for this person at least, began a break with 'popular news' that is now almost complete. Not because I'm a fan of Rogan's show (though I am) but because how much it revealed about how they editorialize things to create conflict where there needn't be any.

For God's sake stop with the safe spaces and echo chamber and try, just TRY to learn to be able to put up with ANYTHING or SOMETHING you don't 100% agree with. If you can't we can't function as a society.

 

[Zen Cafe]

I'm modifying my post to make it clear that this is my opinion and certainly want no disagreement with members here. I just want to make people aware of the type of values Spotify makes money from.

@jblnut you're right I'm sure the library carries lots of fascist, racist and other types of material that is similar, so you have a valid point. I'll just say that this is the action I'm personally taking because I personally believe people should not tolerate shills like Rogan who would make $ at the expense of peoples lives.

@JohnVF I get what you are saying especially about some of the media, but at some point peoples lives matter more to me..look at the cost. I've listened to Rogan and think he is a smart person who will say anything to make money, where do we draw the line. Spotify is a private commercial business owned by Google so boycotting them in this instance is a reasonable response as would be Spotify dropping Rogan. Instead they choose to make $ providing a platform for this guy and promoting him. People die because of these lies. Do we engage neo Nazis, racists or people selling products that kill (like tobacco companies) as a legitimate voice for the sake of social function? I don't know..where do we draw a line..Just my opinion of course.

I am amending my post shortly. Thank you for making that obvious points I should have noted.

 

[Olson_jr]

 

[Wntrmute2]

Actually, what I heard on NPR today was that Neil Young requested that his music be removed. He does not have control over his music as the rights are owned by someone else. Spodify removed his music in response to his request. The public statements are as follows:

The company said it regretted the development and hoped to "welcome him back soon".

"We want all the world's music and audio content to be available to Spotify users," it said in a statement.

"With that comes great responsibility in balancing both safety for listeners and freedom for creators. We have detailed content policies in place and we've removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related to Covid-19 since the start of the pandemic."


Young published a new statement on his website in response, thanking his record label for supporting his stance despite the massive revenue hit it will now suffer.

Much more collegiate and civilized than what has been portrayed IMHO.

 

[JohnVF]

I just want to make people aware of the type of values Spotify makes money from.

But what values would those be? Joe Rogan's values based on reading about them, or from actually having listened to him? His show is so entirely innocuous. He's just a curious meathead who gets over his skiis by being a bit too curious sometimes, which is not a bad flaw to have.

 

[Zen Cafe]

@Wntrmute2 ...sounds like a good PR department press release from Spotify to me, but I very sincerely do appreciate your adding factual content to enlighten this discussion. I guess I just know too many who have died before there was a vaccine so I'm very sensitive to this issue, one of them 40 and very healthy. Obviously this is all a moving target now that it seems to be constantly morphing but there are clear stats about who dies now. Thank you for adding this info.

As I reflect, perhaps this was the wrong forum to bring this up in regardless of my opinion or others. HiFi Haven and it's members exemplify fine collegiate discourse and I don't want to cause disruption to that. Accordingly I'll not comment further and may decide to delete my post...not because I've changed my POV but because it may not be appropriate here. It was the music connection that made me want to express my feeling on this.

You folks are really wonderful..no joke!

 

[JP]

Intolerance dressed up as righteousness is not a great look. IMO.

 

[prime minister]

Neil Young's just removed his music from Spotify as he challenged them to remove Anti-vaccination liar Joe Rogan.. they chose Rogan. I'm boycotting Spotify forever...no joke...there are other options and no skin off my nose...I hope many other artists remove their music. JMTC.

Moderators if this is in the wrong forum I appreciate a redirect as I would not want to break rules here.

Specifically, what did Rogan say that makes him an "anti-vaccination liar"? Please provide quotes or better yet, steaming audio or video that provides the proper context to the discussion.

 

[Kpatch]

 

[Zen Cafe]

Just to answer your question his comments were specifically to pontificate that if you are 21 and healthy he (being the medical expert he is) would not advise you to get the vaccine. He claims he is not an Anti-vaccination advocate but gave this advice. I personally knew a heathy 40 year old who died unvaccinated.

I promised I would comment no further but wanted to answer your question directly.

 

[JohnVF]

Just to answer your question his comments were specifically to pontificate that if you are 21 and healthy he (being the medical expert he is) would not advise you to get the vaccine. He claims he is not an Anti-vaccination advocate but gave this advice. I personally knew a heathy 40 year old who died unvaccinated.

I promised I would comment no further but wanted to answer your question directly.

I would advise you to listen to the actual video clip from what that is taken from and if you're still as incensed about it, then fair enough, its a sincerely formed opinion rather than just following the outrage that the media wants to create for clicks. His comment was far more nuanced than that. I just looked it up. And your friend was 40, not 21.. in the comment he made it looked like he would have advised them to get vaccinated. This thing has vastly different outcomes for the young (and specifically the young and healthy, which is the point he was making), and no I do not consider myself young in my 40s.

 

[prime minister]

Just to answer your question his comments were specifically to pontificate that if you are 21 and healthy he (being the medical expert he is) would not advise you to get the vaccine. He claims he is not an Anti-vaccination advocate but gave this advice. I personally knew a heathy 40 year old who died unvaccinated.

I promised I would comment no further but wanted to answer your question directly.

I’m sorry, but who were you responding to?

 

[MikeyFresh]

Joe Rogan is simply not qualified in any way to advise anyone, young or old, on the use of a vaccine. It's really too bad that some folks would take his advice over that of a healthcare professional.

He is doing some of those who follow him a big disservice when suggesting that the animal deworming drug Ivermectin, not approved for human consumption at all by the FDA and known to cause vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders, and sometimes even hepatitis, was at least in part responsible for his own supposedly rapid recovery from COVID.

Neil Young was not the first to try to pressure Spotify to remove his podcast, 270 scientists, doctors, nurses, and healthcare professionals signed a petition pressuring Spotify earlier this month.

Unfortunately money talks, and Spotify has paid $100 million for the exclusive rights to the JRE podcast, so the outcome of these protests is no big surprise. What is a surprise is how many people are aching to get their healthcare information from some jerk on the internet, rather than from their own doctors.

Doctors, Scientists Petition Spotify To Stop ‘Joe Rogan Experience’ Covid-19 Misinformation

Over 270 scientists, doctors, nurses, and other health professionals have signed the petition.

www.forbes.com

 

[JohnVF]

Joe Rogan is simply not qualified in any way to advise anyone, young or old, on the use of a vaccine. It's really too bad that some folks would take his advice over that of a healthcare professional.

He is doing some of those who follow him a big disservice when suggesting that the animal deworming drug Ivermectin, not approved for human consumption at all by the FDA and known to cause vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders, and sometimes even hepatitis, was at least in part responsible for his own supposedly rapid recovery from COVID.

Neil Young was not the first to try to pressure Spotify to remove his podcast, 270 scientists, doctors, nurses, and healthcare professionals signed a petition pressuring Spotify earlier this month.

Unfortunately money talks, and Spotify has paid $100 million for the exclusive rights to the JRE podcast, so the outcome of these protests is no big surprise. What is a surprise is how many people are aching to get their healthcare information from someone on the internet, rather than from their own doctors.

Doctors, Scientists Petition Spotify To Stop ‘Joe Rogan Experience’ Covid-19 Misinformation

Over 270 scientists, doctors, nurses, and other health professionals have signed the petition.

www.forbes.com

People should form opinions on things by actually exposing themselves to what those things are, instead of repeating the opinions that others have told them to form around whatever it is.


Also, Ivermectin is taken by millions (possibly 100s of millions?) of people around the world every year for parasites, river blindness, and other such ailments. That its also used for animal parasites was said by a left leaning media outlet in some initial report that all the other outlets who profess to be neutral all jumped on and repeated without knowing or bothering to find out what its actual use was in humans. This ivermectin thing was another brick in the wall I put between me and the media, after first joking about this 'horse dewormer' myself..then feeling like an idiot because that's not remotely what its known for.

But no its not approved by the FDA for -covid- and has not proven to be of use against it in any studies that i know of.

 

[J. Frum]

I don’t have any coherent take on this, but I’d like to get some jumbled thoughts out before the thread lock:

1) Neil doesn’t want his music associated with the (sometimes questionable to outright cringey, IMHO) statements made about COVID vaccination and treatment made by Joe Rogan and guests, nor used to enrich the company that platforms Rogan. That’s not the same as censorship, but a lot of folks seemingly can’t tell the difference.

2) I’m sure, without hardly trying, I could come up with content on Spotify that would make Neil’s toes curl, and it seems like sort of an odd fight for him to pick.

3) Neil’s never been exactly constant in his (sometimes questionable to outright cringey, IMHO) political thought. In 2015, he released an album with an anti-biotechnology theme - the same sort of biotechnology that brought us the COVID vaccines.

4) Being a Neil Young fan isn’t easy. His output since about ‘77 has been, to put it diplomatically, uneven. His treatment of his back catalog has been almost pathologically unfriendly, although better in recent years. He’s prickly as a cactus. No matter what you believe in, you can likely find a WTF or two in the causes he’s lended full-throated support to.

5) On one hand, I worry about people taking pharmaceutical advice from the Joe Rogan Experience. On the other hand, I love that Rogan’s promoting DMT.

 

[Shelby1420]

As much as I enjoy Young’s music, for me, he has become a sanctimonious wanker as he ages….. toodles!! As for Rogan, anyone who thinks for themselves instead of simply regurgitating others thoughts gets a listen from me!!!