I've had it with audiophile junk.

TubeHiFiNut ;n55664 said:
My ears are my guide.....not price.....not "popularity".....not what someone says I am supposed to like.

And certainly not someone who tells me that I shouldn't trust my ears as the final arbiter of what is right for me.

Couldn't agree more, how many people waste money on something because of price alone? They pay a lot for the "badge" and even convince themselves it sounds better because it cost more and conversely convince themselves something can't sound good because it's cheaper.

I remember when Rolls Royce was struggling, they doubled the price and sold more, because they were more "elite", same car but the "badge" was even more prestigious.
 
HypnoToad;n56258 said:
Couldn't agree more, how many people waste money on something because of price alone? They pay a lot for the "badge" and even convince themselves it sounds better because it cost more and conversely convince themselves something can't sound good because it's cheaper.

I remember when Rolls Royce was struggling, they doubled the price and sold more, because they were more "elite", same car but the "badge" was even more prestigious.

And just the opposite can be the case too.
 
HypnoToad;n56258 said:
Couldn't agree more, how many people waste money on something because of price alone? They pay a lot for the "badge" and even convince themselves it sounds better because it cost more and conversely convince themselves something can't sound good because it's cheaper.

I remember when Rolls Royce was struggling, they doubled the price and sold more, because they were more "elite", same car but the "badge" was even more prestigious.

That behavior is quite prevalent in marketing, and folks outside of marketing are wary of admitting it, especially in audio. Again, I'm not saying everything is junk or that everything is a ripoff or that no expensive things are worth what they cost. It's just that there's an aura in and around the audiophile world where it is to be assumed, defended, and touted that everything is legit and on the up and up and in our best interest. I know that to not be the case in every industry I've had any inside exposure to, though there have been many good people along the way, too. But there are charlatans everywhere, and if not straight up con-men, then people selling something on its glamour, it's badge value, its prestige.

One prevalent thing I see is people selling something on former prestige that was earned legitimately, only for it to be watered down as the price goes up when a new head of marketing takes over. I'm pretty sure they teach this in certain marketing/business schools....

There's a lot of Grey Goose out there. The same thing, in a fancy bottle, at triple the price.
 
JohnVF ;n56279 said:
One prevalent thing I see is people selling something on former prestige that was earned legitimately, only for it to be watered down as the price goes up when a new head of marketing takes over.

Yep take JBL, KEF, Wharfedale etc, sure they still turn out some fine high end gear but also put the badge on cheap Chinese manufactured stuff that you can buy in big box stores, people see the name and think it must be good.

Prime Minister ;n56266 said:
And just the opposite can be the case too.

It sure can, take those Sony SS-M7's I lust after, magnificent speakers, that were a bargain new. I had a pair of 12" 3 way Sony's I picked up at a yard sale, no real crossover, flimsy boxes chalk and cheese, that's why you have to investigate, compare and listen before you buy anything not just go on price or name.

 
Those SS-m7s are a good example of the strangeness of the audio market. When they launched they were declared as sonic competitors to Wilsons, for comparative peanuts as far as price. Sony was trying to break into the audiophile market in the US, yet again, and it must have thought that it behaved as a traditional market where people weight performance vs price, and thought they could move the bar by selling near-equal performance for much lower price. Instead, nobody took them seriously because A: they said "Sony" and B: they were too inexpensive to be good in the minds of the US audiophile, where price equates to performance. It didn't help that soon after, they ended up discounted at Sony Style stores. Apparently the Chicago store had many for about 1/2 price way back when....the pair I had came from all of that, though I wasn't the first owner.

Then later they came back with a variation of the larger SS-m9, the SS-m9ed, that was something like $10,000...and apparently to many listeners some of the finest speakers they'd ever heard. But how do you sell a $10,000 speaker that looks like a much cheaper speaker you sold a few years ago? So that didn't seem to do well, either.

Sony recently came out with some nicely reviewed, quite expensive speakers that were also supposedly competitive with speakers costing more. SS-AR1s or something like that. I've never seen a pair outside of audio shows...and still, I don't see the US market taking audiophile gear from "mass market" players seriously, even though those mass market players would have resources far more extensive than most small audiophile companies, if they really were putting their minds towards making serious gear.
 
JohnVF ;n56444 said:
Instead, nobody took them seriously because A: they said "Sony" and B: they were too inexpensive to be good in the minds of the US audiophile, where price equates to performance.

Too true, there are many around who still believe price equates to performance, of course in many cases it does, but it's not across the board.
 
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