Lol, 2023 RNRHOF Ceremony

Frunobulax said:
lotta white whine in here.
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Speaking of white wine, April Wine has not been inducted into the RRHOF, although they have won many other awards.

Awards​

  • Dr. Helen Creighton Lifetime Achievement Award (Miles Goodwyn), East Coast Music Association (2003)
  • East Coast Music Hall of Fame, East Coast Music Association (2008)
  • Inductee, Canadian Music Industry Hall of Fame, Canadian Music Week (2009)
  • Lifetime Achievement Award, Canadian Music Week (2009)
  • Inductee, Canadian Music Hall of Fame, Juno Awards (2010)
  • Inductee, Canada’s Walk of Fame (2023)
 
JohnVF said:
White wine to me is Sheryl Crow’s awful atonal yelp, and she’s been inducted.
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Aw cmon man...she ain't that bad. Her first album has a lot of really great tracks and it sounds superb. I can hate on a lot of other white girls before her....
 
jblnut said:
Aw cmon man...she ain't that bad. Her first album has a lot of really great tracks and it sounds superb. I can hate on a lot of other white girls before her....
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Nope! We disagree. But that’s also totally ok. I honestly, very sincerely, cannot stand her voice. I think she’s awful.
 
I would concur (FWIW). I actually kind of like Sheryl Crow, but she cannot (or, at least she does not) sing in any widely-accepted technical use of the term. :face2
EDIT: In fact, you know -- it might be interesting to apply AutoTune to one of her songs and then extract the difference signal (i.e., the difference between her pitch and the correct one) and see what the difference sounds like. :confused::confused::confused: 😎
 
Oh.
As an aside: would it be mean to look for a copy of the legendary* Sheryl Crow and Bruce Cockburn: the Duets as a Christmas gift for our @prime minister ?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: ;)

EDIT: If memory serves, Yoko Ono and Linda Eastman McCartney sang backup on several tracks. :rolleyes:
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* perhaps apocryphal 😎
 
Are you guys talking about the same Sheryl Crow I am ? How can you say she cannot sing after you listen to anything on Tuesday Night Music Club?

This is bad singing ? Really ?



Don't make me post some really terrible singers ....cuz I will ;-)
 
jblnut said:
Are you guys talking about the same Sheryl Crow I am ? How can you say she cannot sing after you listen to anything on Tuesday Night Music Club?

This is bad singing ? Really ?



Don't make me post some really terrible singers ....cuz I will ;-)
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Yes that sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me. I hate that song and hate wasn't chosen lightly...its one of my least favorite popular songs. I'm being totally honest. But I don't mean to take away any enjoyment you get out of listening to her... I'm sure I love certain voices that others don't love. I mean no judgment in it, everybody likes what they like for different reasons, different backgrounds. I can sit through the latter-day Nico albums but I know many run for the hills.
 
She seems incapable of being on-pitch. She also tends to scream (i.e., her voice gets thin and shrieky when she gets loud). By any technical assessment, she's terrible.

That doesn't make her un-entertaining, though.

Judy Collins, Jerry Garcia, Leonard Cohen, Bruce Cockburn ;) and many other more or less great singer/songwriter/musicans were/are also poor singers. I like all four of the aforementioned (albeit to differing extents), though.
 
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How all of us connect with different things very strongly is of more interest to me these days than debating who is universally acclaimed. Maybe that's why I don't give a flying fuddrucker about the rock and roll hall of fame. Music is so personal! There is at least one artist I listen to regularly where I'm probably one of two people who listen to them.... myself and the creator. 'Pretty sure Jeff's not going to be inducted into the hall. So if somebody loves Sheryl Crow, that's awesome (and yes that song's been stuck in my head for about 18 hours now...not exactly a welcome ear worm but it says something about it I guess?) but why does it really matter if other people like her? Or if she's universal adored? Nobody else likes my friend Jeff's music, but I do. So I play it. He's in my hall of fame.
 
^^^I am 100% on board with this. The amount of energy people expend to make sure everyone knows their dislike for an artist can exceed their passion for artists they do like at times, especially if it's a "no true Scotsman" argument where something is being dissed for not being rock & roll (or rythym & blues, or country & western etc) because it doesn't fit into their often narrow definition of said genre. I have the same disdain for people who want to inform everyone that they don't like the food someone at their table is eating. Let people enjoy things!
 
I have STRONG personal opinions about what I want to listen to. I dislike a lot more music than I like. The difference between almost-50 me and 25 year old me is that I don't stretch those opinions across what I think other people should listen to and like. Not to mention the fact that current-me loves a lot of music that 25 year old me made fun of. So screw that guy, and like what you like. Love what you love. Hate what you hate. And give a chance to everything at least once.

As for Sheryl.. I like plenty of people who have a questionable grasp of pitch and an odd if not grating timbre. But not her. Why? I have no idea but I'm actually quite interested in pondering the reasons. I find it fascinating from a psychological standpoint.
 
JohnVF said:
How all of us connect with different things very strongly is of more interest to me these days than debating who is universally acclaimed.
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I'm with you there. With some things, I'm very "meat and potatoes" with what I listen to. There are some types of jazz that would clear me out of the room after three notes. Yet others hate a lot of the jazz I listen to and, at this point in life, I don't really care. It's too "popular?" So what? Some of the artists I've followed for decades, and I'm not giving them up because others don't like them. Yet I don't have tunnelvision. As one of my audio-community friends once said to me, if he wanted to clear out a demo room, he'd put on a Nik Bärtsch recording; I'm the one listening to three of Bärtsch's recordings in a row. And might follow it up with Art Blakey, or George Duke...or hey, I haven't listened to Styx in ages...

I'm TOTGAF...too old to give a faff. I like what I like. And as much as I like returning to favorites, I'm not in a rut--I'm always looking at new (to me) music. I haven't, and won't, explore everything, but I have a huge backlog of different things I want to explore.

JohnVF said:
As for Sheryl.. I like plenty of people who have a questionable grasp of pitch and an odd if not grating timbre. But not her. Why? I have no idea but I'm actually quite interested in pondering the reasons. I find it fascinating from a psychological standpoint.
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Maybe it's the range of her voice?

I like lower female voices, more in the alto range. Anyone higher pitched, I'd really have to stretch it and say I could enjoy listening to them. The rare exception is someone like Annie Ross, but her range dipped into the cellar and up into the stratosphere, and she used her voice to serve the music (especially in Lambert, Hendricks & Ross). Even a few favorites I used to like, I can barely tolerate anymore since they sing in higher octaves, or there is a stridency to their voices that puts me on edge.

And sometimes it's just hard to put a finger on it...
 
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