Guardian Article

My niece, at age 20, embraced vinyl. The experience, she said, tangible, tactile and inclusive, made it more appealing than pressing a button. It became an activity, an interaction- not an afterthought or passive motion.

It was the ritual, the physical actions needed and the demands of a moment of time that got her hooked. It became something interactive and not just a fleeting afterthought.

I think these services have their place, but are an additive product service, not a complete replacement to the immersive experience of playing a record, or cd, or tape. Physical media commands your attention, gets you involved.

I use streaming for when I’m out walking the dog or stuck to the laptop away from my home and with a pile of work to process- it’s great for that, or having in the car, or for doing the laundry.

At home though, to warm up the tubes, scan the wall of albums, choose and clean a record, decide headphones or speakers, start the play, pore over the album cover, sip a just brewed cappuccino with a nice croissant, maybe pet the dog- that’s a luxury that’s well-loved and appreciated. And replacing the record with a streaming service I might as well drink Sanka and eat a Ding Dong, and stare at the neighbors cat across the street.
 
I can sum up that article with "there's too many books in the library, so I'm only going to read the ones I have in my house".

It seems like an ADD problem to me. I love streaming but still spin my own records too.
 
I disagree with a lot of it. Streaming offers me access to scads of music in good quality, so to me there's no difference between me scanning Quboz or Spotify for a title or scanning the shelves for a CD or LP. What I do miss is a good online radio to provide me access to new sounds, but the streaming algorithms are probably as useful as radio use to be.

As far as the money for the artists is concerned, I see that as a non-issue. I don't think I've bought a 10 new recordings this millennium, I buy used, so the artists are actually making more from my streaming fees because they aren't making anything from my purchases.
 
I can sum up that article with "there's too many books in the library, so I'm only going to read the ones I have in my house".

It seems like an ADD problem to me. I love streaming but still spin my own records too.
Yeah, streaming reminds me a bit of listening to college radio- the excitement of finding something new, obscure, fun.

But then again only certain radio shows and exceptional DJs could get some friends and myself to actually sit down, listen, and engage fully over the music.

What’s that old cliche? Horses for courses?

I think streaming fills a niche, as does vinyl and cd and other physical media.

Sometimes those articles are looking to stir the pot. I think this article is led by emotion and a certain pre-set viewpoint without allowing for the real world variables and application of streaming.
 
Interesting article but it seems more clickbait than anything. Are there some young people leaving Spotify for the stated reasons? Of course. Is it more than a blip in the data? Last I checked Spotify and other subscription streaming services continue to grow their numbers of subscribers. It may reach a saturation point, but it's not going to shrink anytime soon because a small group of music fans want something more focused. FWIW I am not currently using any streaming services, instead exploring different internet radio streams.
 
I'm resistant to change, I guess. I have never tried a streaming service. I play my records, CDs, and, when I want to hear music that's new to me, I tune in FM radio, either OTA, or online. OTA favourites are WDET or WUOM (michiganradio.org, for those out of range) and BBC Radio 2, online. (Check out some of the regional stations, or those outside England. Ireland has some amazing, knowledgable, DJs who spin the Blues, both old and new)
 
I too agree with the premise of the article but for the life of me can't understand why so many people think that using a streaming service by default entails a very different way of listening.

I use Qobuz, but not too differently at all from the way I play my own music library. I listen to albums, not tracks. About the only real difference is the session typically starts with the use of the Search function, I enter either an artist name, or sometimes the name of particular album.

Once I hit play on that, I rarely do anything but listen all the way through for albums I'm familiar with, or if it's something new that I haven't really heard much of previously, I of course want to give it a chance to see if I like it, I'll only switch to something else if I'm really not enjoying what I'm hearing at all.

In all cases, the actual user interface is set aside once I touch/click what I'm going to listen to, I darken the screen and put down the phone/tablet, and never continue to scroll through or look at other choices for more than about 10 seconds after hitting play, because I want to listen.

I have friends and colleagues who have this ADD-like problem in using a streaming service, but in fact the 1st time I ever noted it was when watching how some of my colleagues couldn't get set on what to listen to on their iPods, now 15 years ago. They wouldn't just select something and put the damn thing away, instead they would nervously click-wheel around the menu continuously, changing their mind after about 30 seconds to 1 minute elapsed of each new song. Blew my mind.

I also really don't get the whole playlist thing either, my idea of keeping it fresh is to not always play the same songs or sequences of tracks. Even if I created a playlist, I wouldn't likely save it for any reason. My idea of a playlist is hitting "random/shuffle", then each next track is a total surprise, almost like a good radio DJ minus the talk time.

I'm perplexed why the use of a streaming service is in many people's mind a license to just endlessly click around, I guess it's just the overall pervasive use of devices in our post-modern society, and the conditioning of one's behavior towards screen time. That isn't all together too surprising for millennials and others who effectively grew up that way, unfortunately thats how their brain is wired.

For everyone else it just takes a little stubbornness, you put on an album and then you listen to it (unless you really don't like what you are hearing) and you forget about/dismiss the "convenience factor" of having that device in your hand on a hair trigger to flip around.

This also reminds me of the days of the 1st CD players not having IR remote controls. The next generation of CD players did have IR remotes, but I rarely knew where mine even was, friends would come over and demand to know where the remote was, and I did not know exactly where it had last been set down, because I rarely used it.
 
I'm perplexed why the use of a streaming service is in many people's mind a license to just endlessly click around

My guess is it's the hunt for the new and exciting.

I got in that habit from DJ days, when I would scan for music to build playlists. Forward to 1/3 into the song, find the drop, scrub to halfway to hear the buildup... maybe exit.

That turned into a similar habit with itunes, dang I could not listen to a full song. Now with Qobuz, I just put the needle on the record and let the album play. Discovery is still there, but Qobuz seems to really promote album listening.
 
I too agree with the premise of the article but for the life of me can't understand why so many people think that using a streaming service by default entails a very different way of listening.

I use Qobuz, but not too differently at all from the way I play my own music library. I listen to albums, not tracks. About the only real difference is the session typically starts with the use of the Search function, I enter either an artist name, or sometimes the name of particular album.

Once I hit play on that, I rarely do anything but listen all the way through for albums I'm familiar with, or if it's something new that I haven't really heard much of previously, I of course want to give it a chance to see if I like it, I'll only switch to something else if I'm really not enjoying what I'm hearing at all.

In all cases, the actual user interface is set aside once I touch/click what I'm going to listen to, I darken the screen and put down the phone/tablet, and never continue to scroll through or look at other choices for more than about 10 seconds after hitting play, because I want to listen.

I have friends and colleagues who have this ADD-like problem in using a streaming service, but in fact the 1st time I ever noted it was when watching how some of my colleagues couldn't get set on what to listen to on their iPods, now 15 years ago. They wouldn't just select something and put the damn thing away, instead they would nervously click-wheel around the menu continuously, changing their mind after about 30 seconds to 1 minute elapsed of each new song. Blew my mind.

I also really don't get the whole playlist thing either, my idea of keeping it fresh is to not always play the same songs or sequences of tracks. Even if I created a playlist, I wouldn't likely save it for any reason. My idea of a playlist is hitting "random/shuffle", then each next track is a total surprise, almost like a good radio DJ minus the talk time.

I'm perplexed why the use of a streaming service is in many people's mind a license to just endlessly click around, I guess it's just the overall pervasive use of devices in our post-modern society, and the conditioning of one's behavior towards screen time. That isn't all together too surprising for millennials and others who effectively grew up that way, unfortunately thats how their brain is wired.

For everyone else it just takes a little stubbornness, you put on an album and then you listen to it (unless you really don't like what you are hearing) and you forget about/dismiss the "convenience factor" of having that device in your hand on a hair trigger to flip around.

This also reminds me of the days of the 1st CD players not having IR remote controls. The next generation of CD players did have IR remotes, but I rarely knew where mine even was, friends would come over and demand to know where the remote was, and I did not know exactly where it had last been set down, because I rarely used it.
I used to create playlists but would quickly tire of them. Lately, I have been listening to internet radio streams with an occasional CD thrown into the mix. I will occasionally turn the volume down on the internet streams when a song comes on that I find particularly annoying while wishing I could press "skip", but that is rare.
 
Speaking of skipping around, there are two threads on this same article.

I am trying to follow both of them but find myself only reading the first 15-30 seconds of one and then I skip over to the other thread and read a bit of that one.

It is really reducing my enjoyment of all threads, and I find I get more enjoyment from reading articles that were written on parchment.


 
Speaking of skipping around, there are two threads on this same article.

I am trying to follow both of them but find myself only reading the first 15-30 seconds of one and then I skip over to the other thread and read a bit of that one.

It is really reducing my enjoyment of all threads, and I find I get more enjoyment from reading articles that were written on parchment.


 
Speaking of skipping around, there are two threads on this same article.

I am trying to follow both of them but find myself only reading the first 15-30 seconds of one and then I skip over to the other thread and read a bit of that one.

It is really reducing my enjoyment of all threads, and I find I get more enjoyment from reading articles that were written on parchment.


indeed there are 2 threads! the vague title of this thread may cause many to overlook it. good discussion tho.
 
Such a silly one sided article. After reading it I almost felt I should feel guilty for streaming.

“Hello, my name is Dave, and I’m a streamer.”

Where is the part about how Streamers are reducing the amount of plastic being produced, shipped, and ultimately filling the landfill's?

Hell, this was just released and I am listening now. I didn’t even have to drive to the store.



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