Hearing Loss and the Audio Hobby

J. Frum

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This is a touchy subject in discussion of audio, as it has the effect of shredding a person's credibility. Since I'm new here, I don't have a lot of credibility to start with, so here goes:

I'm 33, and I've been an audio enthusiast for a little over a decade. Over the last five years or so, I've noticed my hearing getting a lot worse. Tinnitus has also become a problem, especially in my left ear. Especially loud and/or harsh sounds have become physically painful. I have difficulty following conversations when there's a lot of background noise, and I have to be pretty much in the same room, facing my SO, for us to be sure I understand what she's saying. I find that I'm doing a lot of lip-reading and extrapolation without even realizing it.

Sometimes, I've been unwise with loud live music and too-loud music at home. Also, things took a turn for the worse for me around the same time I did a stint in a call center. I was afraid I'd ruined my ears. I've had several audiograms done at my current workplace and two ENTs. All say the same thing - I have moderate hearing loss, dropping off steadily at about 8 kHz. The loss is consistent not so much with abuse, but hereditary factors - an idea certainly bolstered by my family history.

I still enjoy music and audio, though I don't spend as much time with it as I used to. Maybe I've been a little dissatisfied and disengaged. I had chalked it up to needed system improvements and changes in my lifestyle. But to be honest, it probably has a little to do with my hearing, as well, especially at lower volume.

As far as me being any kind of a judge of audio reproduction goes, I'll fall back on that old chestnut that while I may not have the hearing I did at 19, I'm certainly a better listener. There's some wisdom to that adage, but it's tempered with equal parts horseshit, and my situation is unlikely to get better as I age. I have to be upfront that my preferences in gear, what's pleasing and/or correct to these tired ears, may not line up with anyone else's. Every post I make here will carry an invisible asterisk.

In a couple of weeks, I'm taking the radical step of pursuing hearing aids. I've been too proud to do so, but I'm in the happy/unhappy position of being up against both my deductible and out of pocket limits for my health insurance plan year, so there's not likely to be a more economical time. I'm not sure how wearing hearing aids is going to go for me, or if I'll even be able to stand doing so. My doc says I'm a very good candidate, as my intelligibility ratings are very good and I only have a steady drop-off in sensitivity. I may or may not benefit from signal-processing for the tinnitus. He says I'll almost certainly find myself enjoying music and stereo more than I have been. I'm worried about having one last processing step in the audio reproduction chain lodged in my ear canal, and whether its fidelity will become the new SQ bottleneck in my system.

Does anyone else want to come out regarding their hearing loss? I'd love some words of support of support and encouragement, as I'm pretty down about the whole situation right now. Does anyone have any useful advice about shopping for hearing aids?
 
We all have hearing loss over the course of our lives, some sooner, some later, some to a greater extent, some less. Something we all have to take into account.

I have had tinnitus since childhood, no idea where it came from and why. Most of the time I don't really notice it and haven't for years. I would love for someone to come up with a truly effective treatment for that issue. Apart from that my hearing is rather decent for a 60 year old. I can still hear 16 khz. On the other hand I have to say that not being able to follow conversations with a lot of background noise is a very common issue for men, especially where the voices are in the women's range.

My father got some very sophisticated hearing aids when he was in his early 80s and I know they made a huge difference in his appreciation of music listening. I hope they can make the same difference for you.
 
No advice regarding shopping for hearing aids but I believe that TJLitt got fitted recently.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. Hearing augmentation can mitigate existing damage done during our wild and crazy youth and we can take steps to minimize further damage. These are the steps that I take:

B12 for any tinnitus.

Hydrogen peroxide monthly to clean the wax out.

Visit my ENT doc regularly who schedules time for me with the audiologist.

When I fly, I ALWAYS wear around the ear headphones from the time the pilot fires up the engines until after I've left the plane.

When attending live concerts, sporting events, races, etc. I carry a good set of earplugs and am not afraid to use them.

When driving, I run the AC rather than driver's side window down - which has been proven to negatively impact the hearing in that ear.

At the shooting range, ALWAYS wear proper ear protection.

With good hearing augmentation, you should be able to mitigate the response anomalies and get back to enjoying your system.

Good luck with your journey and please keep us posted on your progress.
 
John Frum. Check out TJLitt 's posts regarding his new digital hearing aids. You're not alone my friend. The more you hang around these forums the more you'll find a lot in common with many regarding hearing maladies. TJLitt was one the first brave ones who laid it out there.
Heredity, as you indicate, may have more to do with your loss than abuse.

Too many loud concerts and road trips in my convertible have left me with some mild tinnitus in my left ear and a gradual roll off in very high frequency response.
It's a very good thing that much of the content in music lies at below 8,000 Hz.

I happen to strongly agree that practiced listening and our own brains interpretation of what we hear goes a long way in each persons unique experience.
 
Putting up a link to TJLitt's thread for posterity.

I'm more drawn to the sound of single-driver speakers than I've ever been, and I wonder if it's largely due to high-frequency hearing loss. Not that all single-driver fans are so afflicted, but one has to wonder...
 
John Frum;n37695 said:
Putting up a link to TJLitt's thread for posterity.

I'm more drawn to the sound of single-driver speakers than I've ever been, and I wonder if it's largely due to high-frequency hearing loss. Not that all single-driver fans are so afflicted, but one has to wonder...

As the resident Lowther Fanatic, it's always nice to see a fellow single driver enthusiast.

What speakers are you running now?

Be interesting to see how (or if) your preference for single driver speakers changes when you get fitted for proper hearing augmentation. :)
 
TubeHiFiNut;n37697 said:
As the resident Lowther Fanatic, it's always nice to see a fellow single driver enthusiast.

What speakers are you running now?

I'm running a single EV Wolverine LS-8 in my mono bedroom rig right now, and deeply regret selling a pair of Lafayette SK-98 (AKA Hamlin TK-7A, AKA Pioneer PIM-8L, AKA Pioneer PIM-20A, AKA Akai TK-7A) a couple of years ago. Both those experiences warmed me up to single-drivers after I'd been soured on the subject by bass-reflex Pioneer B20FU20, open-baffle EV Wolverine LS-12, and a variety of l'il Tang Bands. I definitely see full-range drivers as an avenue I'd like to explore more.

I'd love to fool around with Lowthers or Fostex in horn-loaded cabs, and am planning a trip to hear the OB speakers that Caintuck Audio is building with the Wild Burro Betsy drivers.

My main speakers are currently Jeff Bagby's Zephyr design shoehorned into beefed-up Heathkit AE-30 cabinets. They use Eminence Definimax 4012HO woofers with DE250-type compression drivers mounted on SEOS-12 waveguides. I like them a lot, but I wish they were a little taller and dug a little deeper. I'm currently augmenting them with a couple of HT subs with their crossover controls turned to their lowest settings. On down the road, I'm scheming on replacing them with a pair of Acousti-Craft cabinets loaded with 15" woofers and likely compression drivers and horns mounted on top. My plans may change, though, especially with our buying a house in the near future.
 
Very nice.....

The Lowthers in Medallion cabinets are pretty much my reference. I also have pairs of Altec 755a and Tang Band W8-1808 drivers that I plan on trying in the JE Labs OB design.
 
I went hearing aid shopping today.The staff there were the first people to shoot straight with me about what my expenses will be.

Out-of-pocket limits be damned, my insurance will only cover $700-1000 of the cost. For a basic pair of hearing aids, the total might be $2000. For the ones the consultant recommended for me that had a music mode in the DSP, it was going to be more like $4000 per pair. For reference purposes, $4K is over twice what I've got invested in my main audio system, and well more than I've ever spent buying a car.

I'm not completely giving up on hearing aids (they'll probably be a true necessity sooner or later), but I'll have to start funding them a year or two in advance. I'm going to talk to HR at work about whether it's possible to pay through a limited FSA. Bummer.
 
insurance never covers hearing aids much, and, in fact, you are lucky you got as much as you did. I got NOTHING from a very expensive insurance plan. Also, I paid 50% more than you were quoted for the hearing aids with music listening curves programmed in. Still worth it, and supposedly the aids will last 6 or more years.
 
I guess my point, above, was to suggest that you should decide how to go based on all factors, music being but one of them. That was my case, I just sort of held on and hoped for the best regarding music listening(knowing that I can always pull the aids out, and go back to the status quo). Turns out, the positives for music listening were more profound than I expected. In fact, just the other day, I settled on a new setting for the powered bass section of my speakers. I had to pump the bass up a wee bit, as, now that I can hear more of the midrange, the balance top to bottom had shifted(in terms of my perception of it).
 
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