Thats really great news Bill! Chet Baker... Nice!
Chalk one up for AutoRip, we don't need no stinkin' network connection!
Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player
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Thats really great news Bill! Chet Baker... Nice!
Chalk one up for AutoRip, we don't need no stinkin' network connection!
Okay, being rather ignorant of most of the terms used in these threads, I don’t actually know the difference between having my music now stored on a pen drive, or having a full archival back-up (the apparent advantage of ISO, if I’ve read it correctly). Basically I don’t know what a full back-up means (I just thought it meant having my music stored elsewhere in case I lost my physical discs).
Also, it seems easy enough, as suggested, to re-do my discs by pressing the ISO button instead of DSF, but then how do I extract the DSF files from the ISO?
My experience yesterday was that I managed to rip 41 of my sacds. All went successfully except my Jeff Wayne War of the Worlds (multi channel). The first time I tried it, it only ripped some of the tracks. Also, the artist/track info didn’t appear as it was ripping. The very next disc I tried, John Barry’s Frances soundtrack (stereo), also showed no artist/track info, although it appeared to complete the ripping process.
I tried War of the Worlds again and it appeared to complete the process (again with no info), but when I tried to play it (and the Frances rip), both files appeared empty.
The only other thing to add is that it did take a while, speed averaging 2MB/s, and it filled up my 256gb pen drive. Unfortunately I still have another few to rip.
Also, it seems easy enough, as suggested, to re-do my discs by pressing the ISO button instead of DSF, but then how do I extract the DSF files from the ISO?
My experience yesterday was that I managed to rip 41 of my sacds. All went successfully except my Jeff Wayne War of the Worlds (multi channel). The first time I tried it, it only ripped some of the tracks. Also, the artist/track info didn’t appear as it was ripping. The very next disc I tried, John Barry’s Frances soundtrack (stereo), also showed no artist/track info, although it appeared to complete the ripping process.
I tried War of the Worlds again and it appeared to complete the process (again with no info), but when I tried to play it (and the Frances rip), both files appeared empty.
The only other thing to add is that it did take a while, speed averaging 2MB/s, and it filled up my 256gb pen drive. Unfortunately I still have another few to rip.
An ISO is just a complete copy of the disc itself (minus any Redbook CD information if present as on hybrid SACDs). Google is your friend, you can research any term you see here to find out what it means, very often the best search result will be something like Wikipedia, which is what I've linked to above.
It also helps the members of the forum if you reply to specific post(s) (like I've done here), that way we know exactly what you are referring to and it provides context, as opposed to just wondering out loud without referencing anything, that's much more difficult to respond to, and also harder for future readers of the thread to follow along.
The storage on a pen drive aspect is a separate topic, in other words, you can store these files on any number of different storage devices, and then how you play back from them is not a ripping topic, that's where the DSD playback options thread comes in.
The part that is a ripping topic is the settings for what file type you use to make the rip. I personally rip straight to stereo DSF only, because I do not have any surround system and don't see the day when I will, so there is a decision made there by me that I will skip the full ISO disc copy back-up, and just extract DSF stereo.
However, the exact particular way anyone does it is a personal choice, and there is not only one "right" or "correct way", if there were, then that would be the only way offered by the software and you'd have no setting to make a choice and use, it would be done for you.
The reasoning behind a full ISO was stated in previous posts, because it is a full archival back-up of the disc itself, and that is self explanatory. If something were to happen to the disc, you'd have an archival back-up. Whats the penalty then you ask? MUCH more storage space is required than if you were to just extract the stereo DSF files as I do. I elect to consider the SACDs themselves as the actual archive, but again, there is no one single correct way to view this, everyone can consider it in their own way.
The flexibility offered in extracting DSF not from the SACD itself (as I do), but instead from an ISO, is that the ISO resides on your computer (or in your case a pen drive), and the extraction speed from that medium is far greater than the speed you can extract from an optical disc, where the actual optical disc drive (the player) is the speed bottleneck. I have hit 55 MB/sec in some cases when extracting DSF from an ISO, you will never get much better than about 3 MB/sec when extracting DSF from the SACD itself.
Whats the penalty then you ask? Why wouldn't everyone just always extract from an ISO? As stated above, the penalty is storage space requirement, if you don't need the surround tracks (like me) because you don't have a surround system and have no plans for one, then it probably makes more sense to just rip straight to stereo DSF and leave it at that. But that isn't a statement of fact, that's a personal choice, weighing several factors including time, and the storage costs.
The weighing of the time involved is also multifaceted, the "penalty" in extracting an ISO is that you have to go to a 2nd step of then extracting DSF tracks from that ISO, and that takes more time, though as stated above, it can reach very high extraction speeds from ISO not attainable from the SACD and optical disc drive in the player itself. What @NSBulk is saying, is that if you have already ripped to ISO in the first place, you can then at your leisure elect to extract either the stereo or multichannel (or both) from it.
Lets say you are me and you have no surround system set-up nor do you see that day coming. You would just extract the stereo DSF from the ISO, and call it a day. The ISO is then placed on a storage device (you can get a 2TB external hard drive these days for about $60) for safe keeping, and the day you ever do get a surround set-up, bingo, you pull out the archival ISO and extract the surround content.
The author of this software actually does it a 3rd way, and this really makes the most sense to me, and probably makes the best most efficient use of one's ripping time. He uses "Concurrent Mode" which is done by selecting ISO+DSF in the software. This is a brilliant upgrade to the original software ripping packages such as ISO2DSD that did not offer this function (thank you setmind/aka Mindset!). Using that ISO+DSF function, you get the creation of both an archival ISO, and separate DSF tracks too in just one pass of the optical media. So there is no extra wear and tear on the Blu-ray player, it is still making just one pass of the SACD, and then the software does the processing necessary to create both an ISO and the DSF from that single pass.
Sound great right? Whats the penalty in using Concurrent Mode? Again, additional storage space is required as opposed to just extracting DSF, and it does of course take much longer, there are no free lunches with regard to computer processing speed. Depending on your computer's CPU (# of cores, speed rating), and the amount of RAM your computer has, it can take a good deal longer to run the rip in Concurrent Mode, because there is much more going on. But then you wouldn't need to take that extra step in extracting DSF from the ISO as described earlier, because the DSF is extracted from the ISO in real time in Concurrent Mode. It's made even more efficient by use of the Output Directory function, if you select ISO+DSF and then go to that Output Directory field, it even allows you to write the ISO and the DSF to two separate places at once. So for example you can write the DSF tracks that you will ultimately be using for playback to one hard drive, and then direct the writing of the ISO to a completely separate/different hard drive for archival safe keeping, and it will do those writes simultaneously, again with speed as the penalty, that simply takes a while to complete each disc that way. But if you invest the time there, you are done with that SACD, you have both the DSF and an ISO written and in theory that SACD can now be stored away forever.
Part of what you need to do here is actually play around with the software, use it and get familiar, and then ask yourself in your particular circumstances what the best approach will be. One thing is for sure, a 256GB pen drive is not big enough to house any decent sized SACD collection, and you've confirmed that by quickly filling it. You will need a storage solution that is both larger capacity and more robust from an ultimate reliability standpoint. But unlike the actual disc ripping instructions, no one can list out step by step exactly what you need to do, you'll have to look at the file sizes of your rips, count the number of discs in your collection, probably also allow for the possibility of buying some new SACDs in the future, and come to a ballpark idea of how much storage capacity you will need. Also consider how that needs to be separated on more than one hard drive, i.e. one for back-up archival purposes, and the other used for actual playback.
Yes, the playback considerations need to go in the playback thread, I suggest you don't want to use a USB pen drive for playback, you need a separate server somewhere and then access it using the Oppo's DLNA/UPnP playback function, which means you will stream the tracks from a server to the Oppo over your home network. Again, that's really a playback topic and belongs in the playback thread.
Most everyone didn't originally know what many of the terms used in this thread meant, and so you research it using Google to gain a better understanding of what any given term means, and how that relates to your specific needs in ripping and the actual playback of those rips.
When I first started ripping SACD in spring 2016, there was no SACDExtractGUI, that program only came in October 2018. Back in 2016 there was only ISO2DSD, and though that was and still is a fine program, it didn't offer the flexibility described above that is standard in SACDExtractGUI. But I can't turn back the clock now, in 2016 I made the choice to only rip straight to DSF, because there was no Concurrent Mode available to me.
Should I have then just made all ISO rips at that time? Perhaps, but it would have required me to go back and extract DSF from each ISO created, a two-step rip process on literally hundreds of SACDs. I elected to go straight to DSF extraction instead, and I'm not sorry about that, as there is no one single "correct" way to do this. Ripping Stereo DSF only saved me valuable time, because I have no specific use for the multichannel.
We do not form separate "camps" on topics here at HFH, where strict dogma is cited as the one and only single "best" or correct way to do something and all other ways are rejected and endlessly fought over, each camp digging in their heels and insisting they are right, sticking to that stance to the death. Thats for other forums.
SACD ripping is no different than any other topic here, there are a bunch of ways to do it and each single person needs to view those methods in the context of their own unique situation in order to best decide how to proceed. I'm not sorry I didn't create ISOs way back in 2016, I consider the SACDs themselves to be my archive, and I rip straight to DSF, skipping the whole ISO process. Others do it differently, and that's fine too, neither of us is right or wrong, it is a matter of preference.
I wouldn't rush to redo anything. But to answer your question, you simply change the radio button election in the Input field of the GUI from Server, to File, and then Browse to find and select your ISO file. You are then extracting DSF from that ISO when you hit Run, instead of extracting it from the SACD over the network IP.
I have no idea except to say you had probably already filled your pen drive to full capacity, those rips failed due to a lack of available storage space, the program had nowhere to write them to in your chosen output directory, so they bombed.
Something is happening, but no flashing USB light. The player keeps on flashing "LOAD", and the disc keeps spinning (i feel the player vibrating a bit).
Do I need to practice my off-press timing?
EDIT1:
I was too inpatient. I pulled the thumbdrive, and put it in the computer: there is an iso on it! Probably not finished, so I am now retrying. Funnilly enough, now the player is not flashing load this time, but is spinning. And I was mistaken, this thumbdrive does not have a led, so I just leave it sitting there for a while.
I keep you posted!
EDIT2:
Have tried multiple times, no iso is written. Also the flashing LOAD was not showing, but instead the player went to HOME. Now LOAD is flashing again, so I leave it there for an hour or so, and check the thumbdrive afterward. I get the impression that maybe the on/off button on the player is a bit flaky; it will always turn on the player, but not always off. Strange.
EDIT3:
YES, FINALLY SUCCESS! Indeed, when the player keeps on flashing "LOAD" it works. And after completion the tray opens, so that is a good signal. Two classical SACDs ripped, and are now being converted.
The other SACDs may give some issues with the filename. But I'll give it a try anyway. Nope, that just doesn't work. That is a pity as it is a 5-disc box set...
Do I need to practice my off-press timing?
EDIT1:
I was too inpatient. I pulled the thumbdrive, and put it in the computer: there is an iso on it! Probably not finished, so I am now retrying. Funnilly enough, now the player is not flashing load this time, but is spinning. And I was mistaken, this thumbdrive does not have a led, so I just leave it sitting there for a while.
I keep you posted!
EDIT2:
Have tried multiple times, no iso is written. Also the flashing LOAD was not showing, but instead the player went to HOME. Now LOAD is flashing again, so I leave it there for an hour or so, and check the thumbdrive afterward. I get the impression that maybe the on/off button on the player is a bit flaky; it will always turn on the player, but not always off. Strange.
EDIT3:
YES, FINALLY SUCCESS! Indeed, when the player keeps on flashing "LOAD" it works. And after completion the tray opens, so that is a good signal. Two classical SACDs ripped, and are now being converted.
The other SACDs may give some issues with the filename. But I'll give it a try anyway. Nope, that just doesn't work. That is a pity as it is a 5-disc box set...
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Well, certainly it's tough with no LED activity indicator, but just stay patient and wait for the tray to reopen, that's all you can do on each attempt.
A disc with both stereo and multichannel on it will take a while, so be patient. It varies also with the disc total play time of course.
Maybe go just one at time to start, get a full ISO written, then take it to the computer for extraction to DSF using the GUI.
Hello everyone. I stubled upon this forum and thread from the QuadraphonicQuad forum. I've been searching for a way to rip my SACD collection. After reviewing this thread, it seems like this process will be manageable. I've just purchased a refurbished Sony BDP-S6200, I look forward to starting the process when it arrives.
Sounds great, welcome to HFH!
The S6200 makes a fine ripping platform. Please be sure to use the AutoScript version on Page 2 of this thread that is specific to the S6200/7200, and you'll be in business with SACD rips during "shelter in place".
Well that went well 👍
Purchased BDP-S4100 from ebay for £16:00, followed instructions in Post #591 and everything worked first time. Used SACDExtractGUI and ripped over network.
First Rip was Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds hybrid SACD and listening to it now 😀
Very happy, many thanks for detailing an easy method that works.
Purchased BDP-S4100 from ebay for £16:00, followed instructions in Post #591 and everything worked first time. Used SACDExtractGUI and ripped over network.
First Rip was Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds hybrid SACD and listening to it now 😀
Very happy, many thanks for detailing an easy method that works.
Outstanding, welcome to HFH, glad you found the process easy!
Well done, that's a steal of a deal for a suitable ripping platform.
My pleasure and congrats on the easy success, have fun listening to DSD tracks served over your network during this crazy "shelter in place". Be well and stay safe!
Good afternoon to all!
I trust all in our HiFi Haven community are well, and staying safe during these very difficult circumstances that are resulting in such devastation to health and life literally worldwide.
On this Holiday weekend of April 2020, our SACD ripping thread has surpassed 170,000 views, now with 1,435 posts, just one day shy of 23 months since its inception.
I find some small gratification in knowing that this thread might provide some with the opportunity for a little distraction, as ripping SACDs can be a time consuming project, but spare time is something most of us likely have in relatively greater abundance than usual right about now.
I hope the end result of those SACD rips provides additional distraction from our current plight, by means of sheer music listening enjoyment, as enjoying ones self is an otherwise somewhat elusive thing right now during these unprecedented times.
Thanks again to all thread participants, and happy SACD ripping during "shelter in place"!
I trust all in our HiFi Haven community are well, and staying safe during these very difficult circumstances that are resulting in such devastation to health and life literally worldwide.
On this Holiday weekend of April 2020, our SACD ripping thread has surpassed 170,000 views, now with 1,435 posts, just one day shy of 23 months since its inception.
I find some small gratification in knowing that this thread might provide some with the opportunity for a little distraction, as ripping SACDs can be a time consuming project, but spare time is something most of us likely have in relatively greater abundance than usual right about now.
I hope the end result of those SACD rips provides additional distraction from our current plight, by means of sheer music listening enjoyment, as enjoying ones self is an otherwise somewhat elusive thing right now during these unprecedented times.
Thanks again to all thread participants, and happy SACD ripping during "shelter in place"!
Mike, I'm back again to give an update on our efforts to get "plan A" SACD ripping to work on my system (computer/network/GUI method). I have already posted about the happy success we had with your alternate "AutoRip" method which utilizes only my Sony S5100 and a thumb drive containing the special AutoScript developed for this method. But with your help I kept working toward finding the problem that was causing the computer/network process to fail to connect and not get past port 2002. Well I am very happy to report that I have finally succeeded in getting everything to work properly and easily.
For any future members that may run into these same connection issues, I want to quickly explain what the three road blocks were for me; two that were fairly easy for you to solve, and the final one that was trickier to spot but in the end easy to fix. Issue #1: When my iMac unzipped the GUI ripping software package, it, on its own and without notice, decided to convert the all important "sacd_extract" file into a text file instead of keeping it a "Unix executable" file. I found an earlier post where you helped someone "fix" that file with a terminal command. Though I went into that fix a bit nervous, following your precise directions exactly fixed it easily with one try. Issue #2: In the set up after opening the GUI software, I mistakenly had directed the "program" setting to go to the .jar file instead of the "sacd_extract" file. After seeing my screenshot of the GUI set up, you got me to fix that easily also.
The tricky Issue #3: was quite simply that there was a problem with my thumb (flash) drive. In the end, you had me re-download the AutoScript files and put them on a new thumb drive (again formatted FAT-32, ms dos). Suddenly everything worked perfectly. After all my focus on the network and the blu ray player, this proved to be the solution for my situation. But to further prove whether it was a faulty thumb drive causing the problem or a corrupted AutoScript, I installed the same newly downloaded AutoScript onto the first thumb drive and tried a new rip with it. It failed as before. So it was the thumb drive.
Now I happily have two methods of ripping SACD's, one on my iMac and its network with the Sony S5100, and AutoRip method using only the Sony and a thumb drive. THANK YOU again for your patience and precise methods for helping us to improve our music listening experience!
For any future members that may run into these same connection issues, I want to quickly explain what the three road blocks were for me; two that were fairly easy for you to solve, and the final one that was trickier to spot but in the end easy to fix. Issue #1: When my iMac unzipped the GUI ripping software package, it, on its own and without notice, decided to convert the all important "sacd_extract" file into a text file instead of keeping it a "Unix executable" file. I found an earlier post where you helped someone "fix" that file with a terminal command. Though I went into that fix a bit nervous, following your precise directions exactly fixed it easily with one try. Issue #2: In the set up after opening the GUI software, I mistakenly had directed the "program" setting to go to the .jar file instead of the "sacd_extract" file. After seeing my screenshot of the GUI set up, you got me to fix that easily also.
The tricky Issue #3: was quite simply that there was a problem with my thumb (flash) drive. In the end, you had me re-download the AutoScript files and put them on a new thumb drive (again formatted FAT-32, ms dos). Suddenly everything worked perfectly. After all my focus on the network and the blu ray player, this proved to be the solution for my situation. But to further prove whether it was a faulty thumb drive causing the problem or a corrupted AutoScript, I installed the same newly downloaded AutoScript onto the first thumb drive and tried a new rip with it. It failed as before. So it was the thumb drive.
Now I happily have two methods of ripping SACD's, one on my iMac and its network with the Sony S5100, and AutoRip method using only the Sony and a thumb drive. THANK YOU again for your patience and precise methods for helping us to improve our music listening experience!
Outstanding Bill, way to stay at it and persevere in the end!
Ah ha! So this is yet another example of the unexplained incompatible thumb drive. Bonkers. It must have shipped from the factory with a wonky hidden primary partition of some sort, or been reformatted previously using Windows Disk Manager which can be problematic.
My pleasure Bill, and thank you for staying with the troubleshooting to get things sorted. It helps the community to see it through like that, as others will no doubt encounter similar situations and they will be reassured in reading your post that they too can overcome all obstacles.
Stay safe, be well, and happy DSD listening!
So I just bought a BDP-S5100 on ebay, and I kept getting the disc tray open error. I then tested the player to find it wasn't reading the SACD layer or DVDs at all, despite the seller stating the player worked perfectly. I tried opening it and giving it a cleaning, but that didn't help at all. So maybe in the future ask the seller if it plays DVDs.
Interestingly there was only one laser lens. I'm used to seeing one laser for BD and one for DVDs. This player did play BDs, so I find this to be beyond weird.
Interestingly there was only one laser lens. I'm used to seeing one laser for BD and one for DVDs. This player did play BDs, so I find this to be beyond weird.
Yes I have seen that single lens aspect on many of these players, while many others clearly have two different lenses, one for Blu-ray, and the other for everything else. So somehow Sony has managed to have two different wavelength lasers use the very same lens.
While I'm sure you will just want to return that player to the seller as non-working, if it turns out they claim a no-returns policy (some sellers do) you might then try to repair it.
I successfully replaced the entire optical drive in a Sony S7200 that I bought at auction for $9.99 in stated non-working condition, rolling the dice that a $13 replacement part was all it would need. I got lucky and that was it, just 3 ribbon cables and 4 Philips head screws to remove the dead optical drive, and replace it. The hardest part by far was getting the chassis open, Sony had gone to considerable lengths to make that a bit difficult, but in the end I opened it up and once inside the optical drive replacement was very easy.
OH Yeah! Sony clearly didn't intend for this player to be repaired. I've done a lot of repair work on CD based video game consoles, and I've never had that hard of a time getting to the optical drive.
I'm definitely interested in just replacing the disc drive as I'm guessing a lot of these players aren't going to work well, after seeing how they were made. I googled the lens though a BPX 7, but didn't find any hits. You just grabbed it on ebay?
I'm definitely interested in just replacing the disc drive as I'm guessing a lot of these players aren't going to work well, after seeing how they were made. I googled the lens though a BPX 7, but didn't find any hits. You just grabbed it on ebay?
Yes and the S7200 also shipped originally with a BPX-7, however the available direct replacement part is the BPX-10, the seller assured me it would work and in fact it did, plays all disc formats it is supposed to, rips SACD, the whole 9 yards and no wonky behavior out of that player at all since the transplant.
I will see if I can still find that exact same eBay listing, shipped out of TX as I recall and I had a good experience, they shipped the OEM part right out and it did appear to be in new/unused condition.
The posts I made at the time have a few photos if you care to take a look, it was in this thread.
I will see if I can still find that exact same eBay listing, shipped out of TX as I recall and I had a good experience, they shipped the OEM part right out and it did appear to be in new/unused condition.
The posts I made at the time have a few photos if you care to take a look, it was in this thread.
This quarantine has been great for tackling this project. While I initially extracted to dsf (stereo and multi-channel) and tagged all of those files with YATE, I've since gone back and re-extracted my SACD collection as ISO files. In theory, I never have to touch the discs again, but I probably will since I now have three machines that can play them. But it's also nice that rooms that don't have an SACD player can still hear this great music in hi-res.
Thanks to everyone who figured out this process and an extra big thanks to @MikeyFresh for his patience and guidance. I guess I need to buy even more SACDs now.
Thanks to everyone who figured out this process and an extra big thanks to @MikeyFresh for his patience and guidance. I guess I need to buy even more SACDs now.
I'm having some issues ripping SACDs with my new BDP6200 that I just got. Here is a descripton below on some issues:
I am trying to do this rip over WiFi, so I have my laptop and bluray player currently connected to the internet, via WiFi, with no issues. I have updated the firmware on the Sony bluray to the most current release. I have also downloaded and installed the SACDGUI software and the autoscript, where I put the files on to a thumb drive. I've tried both ISO2DSD and the SACD Extract GUI and I can't see to get either to work. I keep getting the same error message after I "run" or "execute" each program. I've made sure that the IP address in both programs were correct and they are.
Where I am running into problems, is that first - my pc does not allow me to format my USB FAT 32, only exFAT or NTFS.
I also keep getting the same error from both programs: When I try ISO2DSD I get:
"sacd_extract 0.3.9.3 enhanced by euflo ....starting!
Program terminates!
Failed to connect
libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.0.32:2002 for reading"
and then on SACD Extract GUI I get the same error message.
Any ideas where I might be going wrong? Thank you for your time.
I am trying to do this rip over WiFi, so I have my laptop and bluray player currently connected to the internet, via WiFi, with no issues. I have updated the firmware on the Sony bluray to the most current release. I have also downloaded and installed the SACDGUI software and the autoscript, where I put the files on to a thumb drive. I've tried both ISO2DSD and the SACD Extract GUI and I can't see to get either to work. I keep getting the same error message after I "run" or "execute" each program. I've made sure that the IP address in both programs were correct and they are.
Where I am running into problems, is that first - my pc does not allow me to format my USB FAT 32, only exFAT or NTFS.
I also keep getting the same error from both programs: When I try ISO2DSD I get:
"sacd_extract 0.3.9.3 enhanced by euflo ....starting!
Program terminates!
Failed to connect
libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.0.32:2002 for reading"
and then on SACD Extract GUI I get the same error message.
Any ideas where I might be going wrong? Thank you for your time.
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